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Maupin233

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Not so fast. We are talking about a different level of impropriety, howeve


the actions of the Bidens is not completely above reproach. Hunter Biden's actions were greedy, selfish, and stupid. He profitted from trading on his father's name. The energy executives involved in Ukraine at least initially were doing the same thing. They took it several steps further by leveraging political connections to get an ambassador removed and attempt to leverage Ukrainians to remove energy execs. Hunter Biden is not guilty of doing so, but its still in the same ball park.

As for Joe Biden, its a gray area. His son was at no point personally under investigation, and the company Hunter was paid by was not under investigation at the time, and everyone was calling for the removal of the prosecutor, however, the optics still look bad. Joe Biden was close enough that he probably should not have been the point person from the US leading to push to remove the prosecutor. The reasons for removing the guy were totally legit, and Biden has political coverage, but still, a poor decision.

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Posted: 10/08/2019 at 12:04PM


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  The Trump admin has blocked Sondland from appearing before Congress -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 08:28AM
  Trump undermines his Executive Privilege claim in his tweet. Oops -- WahooMatt05 10/08/2019 11:55AM
  Still his own worst enemy ** -- Maupin233 10/08/2019 12:08PM
  Turley you say? JMHoo was linking his blog just last week ** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 11:58AM
  They are trying to force a vote -- TomKazanski 10/08/2019 11:49AM
  Oh there's a good propaganda boy! Getting in the phrase of the day -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 12:10PM
  If only that was how things work ** -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 12:02PM
  It works for their propaganda purposes -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 12:12PM
  Calling House Committees kangaroo courts is not a good look and -- HoosQ 10/08/2019 11:53AM
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  Would probably need to plead the Fifth given his conduct. ** -- WarmHoo 10/08/2019 09:52AM
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  My belief is that we are going to get Supreme Court decisions which -- southdenverhoo 10/08/2019 12:00PM
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  The light seems to be Trump's friend, though -- WahooMatt05 10/08/2019 09:35AM
  Or, there is no reason to waive priviledge. So why do it?** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:22AM
  To exonerate? To come clean to the American people? -- Chuck Taylor 10/08/2019 09:54AM
  He’s big on transparency until he’s not. ** -- hooshouse 10/08/2019 10:18AM
  Hillary sat for 11 hours straight and answered questions. ** -- DanTheFan 10/08/2019 10:12AM
  With immunity. And with her lawyers who were also involved.** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:15AM
  I don't see any record of immunity. -- DanTheFan 10/08/2019 10:23AM
  You haven't seen much in years Dan. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:28AM
  So no links? -- DanTheFan 10/08/2019 10:31AM
  No charges. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:32AM
  So no links? -- DanTheFan 10/08/2019 10:33AM
  Hillary was being impeached? ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:35AM
  That’s not what you said. -- DanTheFan 10/08/2019 10:39AM
  He doesnt actually know what he said. its like arguing with 2 year old or -- ftwuva 10/08/2019 1:09PM
  Stay away from the rabbit holes ** -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 11:03AM
  Especially where the rabbit seems to have rabies and fleas. ** -- WahooRQ 10/08/2019 11:35AM
  Rabbits rarely, if ever, carry rabies -- VaTechie 10/08/2019 12:17PM
  At this point, what difference does it make? ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:44AM
  LOL, this is a classic -- VaTechie 10/08/2019 11:07AM
  None of you got the reference. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 11:13AM
  Oh I got the reference -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 11:43AM
  I suspect for all of us to get your reference -- VaTechie 10/08/2019 11:19AM
  Deep sruff there. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 11:20AM
  And now he will respond to you 12 times ** -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 11:11AM
  You brought it up ** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:47AM
  I can't imagine a lawyer anywhere would advise his client to do that. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:56AM
  Good. Call the floor vote Nancy. Why are you afraid? ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 09:13AM
  The Trump administration is refusing to comply with -- 00 Hoo 10/08/2019 12:57PM
  Then Trump will cooperate, are you really this stoopid?** -- WaxHoo 10/08/2019 10:30AM
  He knows exactly why he wants the vote -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:49AM
  LOL! Be afraid, be very afraid. To hell with the letting the other side -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 10:55AM
  NOTHING is stopping trump or anyone else from defending themselves -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 11:09AM
  She's not breaking any rules or even setting any precedent -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 11:09AM
  Damn, you really are off the rails now. Desperado! ** -- WaxHoo 10/08/2019 10:58AM
  So much for your claimed integrity. Why shouldn't they have a vote Waxie? ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 11:03AM
  Why should they if it's not required? -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 11:12AM
  So stilllll no defense for not taking a vote. But nice false equivalency. -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 11:17AM
  Yeah we're all terrified. You got us now ** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 11:45AM
  No one is stopping trump from defending himself, exceop trump -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 11:31AM
  Yep. Call it. Let's "get" Trump and get this over with. -- Hokieesith 10/08/2019 09:52AM
  I'm starting to agree. Why not? -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:24AM
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  This excuse is more commonly known as "The Mitch" ** -- Beerman 10/08/2019 09:55AM
  She does not need a vote to investigate whistle blower -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 09:46AM
  No vote is required to conduct the inquiry. There have been votes -- HoosQ 10/08/2019 09:51AM
  Has there ever not been an impeachment vote in the House? -- Hoos Operator 10/08/2019 09:50AM
  Well, maybe you should look it up. How long was Clinton -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 09:57AM
  Those were impeachment hearings? -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:04AM
  They weren't. When the impeachment began, a vote was held. ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 10:13AM
  Exactly ** -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 11:03AM
  I think they were already severely under water politically at that point -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:58AM
  That's what I thought. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:14AM
  Apologize on the front end for my constitutional ignorance....but is the -- Folly Beach Hokie 10/08/2019 09:43AM
  I think you might be right based on a comment in this thread -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:46AM
  The ability to defend yourself is not a conspiracy theory, 138. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:59AM
  So there are no Republicans in the room for these hearings? -- HoosQ 10/08/2019 11:37AM
  Do we have the transcript from Kurt Volker? ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 11:56AM
  I don't know but the Republicans present sure sounded satisfied with -- HoosQ 10/08/2019 12:02PM
  No they don't. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 12:23PM
  Well the Dems should. ** -- HoosQ 10/08/2019 1:17PM
  The dems should, what? ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 1:55PM
  She should. She won't. There's a reason for her fear. ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 09:41AM
  So cryptic and mysterious. You guys always know something we don't -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:42AM
  Have you seen a single reason they've given for not taking the vote? They -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 09:51AM
  Yeah, don't hold that vote Nancy. -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:53AM
  So you have no interest in a free and fair investigation. Got it. ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 09:55AM
  Lmao. Yeah, that's what Devin Nunes would be pursuing if he gets -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:57AM
  ...that's what is supposed to happen 138... ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:01AM
  So the opposing side should be limited in their defense. Got it. Stilllllll -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 10:01AM
  Oh you poor babies, are the Democrats not playing fair enough for you? ** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:05AM
  Is this serious? -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:13AM
  You'll get all that in the actual hearing -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:18AM
  So you actually want a witch hunt. Cool position. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:18AM
  So stillll no defense for not calling a vote. Got it. ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 10:12AM
  Moved** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:15AM
  Already told you. No to Devin Nunes having subpoena power -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:14AM
  What a petty bitch you turned out to be ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:17AM
  LOL! ** -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:18AM
  You're openly cheering on not allowing the other party a defense. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:20AM
  L! -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:24AM
  People see through this, 138. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:27AM
  But lying shifty Schiff can. Trump is going to force their hand. Good. ** -- Hoodafan 10/08/2019 10:16AM
  They have one purpose in "forcing" a vote: so that dem voters -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 09:39AM
  Would it really make any difference? ** -- Hoo TV 10/08/2019 09:36AM
  Does it mean that Republicans get to issue subpoenas? -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:40AM
  Not necessarily (based on the linked article) -- 00 Hoo 10/08/2019 10:18AM
  Exactly what they would do. Try to drag Biden in there for hearings -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:21AM
  You're the one that comes across as afraid, 138. -- hoothat 10/08/2019 10:25AM
  LOL! -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 10:28AM
  Good point ** -- Hoo TV 10/08/2019 09:41AM
  Hopefully Nancy feels the same way. ** -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:27AM
  There is no necessity for a vote at this point that would -- 111Balz 10/08/2019 09:22AM
  Then I guess invoking EP won't work? -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:25AM
  Perhaps they should make this a real impeachment hearing? -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:11AM
  Reps didn't ask Volker anything? ** -- 81_Hokie 10/08/2019 09:23AM
  Reps are allowed to subpoena? -- hoothat 10/08/2019 09:24AM
  Was there ever any doubt? ** -- Brown Water 10/08/2019 09:11AM
  Yeah, they let him fly all the way over here and then -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 09:27AM
  Just trying to maximize the obstructive effect ** -- Hoo TV 10/08/2019 09:31AM
  I am SHOCKED at this development! ** -- Guy LeDouche 10/08/2019 08:55AM
  I imagine Rs who wanted full transparency will be furious at Trump, right? ** -- WahooMatt05 10/08/2019 08:44AM
  He should resign then show up** -- 81_Hokie 10/08/2019 08:36AM
  He should just show up and see if they fire him -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 08:53AM
  I don't think he wants to show up though -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 08:38AM
  What has been alleged doesn't look good -- Capital City Hoo 10/08/2019 08:57AM
  Although he says he wants to show up and will be waiting to do so -- wahoo138 10/08/2019 08:51AM
  You're right. I was thinking of Taylor ** -- 81_Hokie 10/08/2019 08:50AM

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