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The best was to view deficits IMO -- NJHoo 02/09/2018 1:28PM I get it, and I know of many smart economists who are OK with deficits, but -- Late 80s Hokie 02/09/2018 1:35PM With $20T in debt and 5% interest rates, which we will get back to, int $ = -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2018 1:47PM Did Brat vote for it? ** -- graycalhoo 02/09/2018 11:46AM He certainly said he was a No. Not sure what he did. ** -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:54AM I just checked . .. it was a no. Checked many others -- graycalhoo 02/09/2018 11:59AM Yea ** -- Guy LeDouche 02/09/2018 11:54AM Looks like he was indeed a No vote (link) -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:59AM Stand corrected - the website I looked at was wrong. -- Guy LeDouche 02/09/2018 12:07PM The sad part is I wouldn't have been shocked if you were right. ** -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 12:09PM One man's "benign expansion of power" l -- HokieDan95 02/09/2018 10:36AM He goes too far on his libertarianism IMO, but I am glad that he tries -- HoosWillWin 02/09/2018 10:29AM Here's what comes next; cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:50AM Medicare/Medicade, SS, Military. The big 3 that needs to be modified with -- JohnHoo2 02/09/2018 2:41PM Just read an article about policy changes to Medicare/Medicaid.... -- Guy LeDouche 02/09/2018 12:04PM No one is cutting social security. First, it doesn't really -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:13AM It definitely does need some reshaping.... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:35AM It's a fallacy to correlate SS benefits to life expectancy. Yes, life -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2018 2:30PM Right, but life expectancy at age 65 has increased by more than 30% in -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 2:36PM I would be interested in seeing that offset. People are working much longer -- KCHoo 02/09/2018 4:19PM Yeah, the labor pool is bigger, but the retirement pool is FAR bigger. -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 4:31PM I am not saying that older workers compensate completely. Freddy -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2018 2:59PM Even with current life expectancies, SS is 85-90% funded indefinitely. -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:37AM That's fair.... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:40AM A lot of protestations from everybody. Just hide and watch. It's coming. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:32AM I'll be watching. 99.9% sure you'll be wrong. ** -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:35AM That said, if you're talking about an adjustment to -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:39AM I didn't say what form it would take. But I've been hearing about reforms -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:42AM If I am, so what? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:38AM What do you mean "so what"? If you're wrong, it means you're wrong, but -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:42AM I'm basing it on what I hear from the GOP. This is their opportunity. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:43AM Yeah, but for a stupid as the GOP is, they're not as stupid as dems -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:47AM The won't do it that way. They'll do it with elemination or reduction of -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:54AM Right, but all of the things I mention are good, fiscally -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:58AM Ask me when they've made the proposal. In the past they've made efforts to -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 12:13PM I think the flaw here is that you have bought into the notion the -- Shenhoo 02/10/2018 08:33AM Much like creating a crisis of Healthcare to finally get Medicaid for All? -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:05AM LOL, there's gotta be a Klanzanskism for people who believe this tripe. -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 12:54PM Trump can't cut Social Security or Medicare -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:05AM Nobody can or will dare do that. But that doesn't mean they can't take -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:09AM Thats certainly what needs to come next ** -- TomKazanski 02/09/2018 11:01AM Sen Paul is a gadfly and complicit with his tax cut vote. However, is also -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:18AM We need to decide as a nation what level of military force to support... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:38AM That's right! And nobody wants to address that, or perhaps when they do -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:49AM I think Mattis gets it, though... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:53AM I disagree. The National Defense Strategy issued last week calls for -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 12:08PM Hrmmm...I need to take a look at that. ** -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 12:09PM Sorry I meant to link it.... -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 12:15PM "It's like we're living in 1958" -- Beerman 02/09/2018 10:25AM Well which ones specifically? I was referring to our return to a Cold War -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:32AM Me too -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:04AM Disagree, I think defense spending is more about -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2018 10:01AM DACA is what they shut down the gov then punted the first time over. -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 10:02AM Thanks Chuckie and Nancy. There's a very good deal for them available that -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:23AM The objection is $25B for that stupid wall in return. But given this -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:25AM No, the objection is ... -- Beerman 02/09/2018 10:26AM I like it. And I think it's a great deal the Dems should jump on if they -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:41AM Yes that, too. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:31AM Sure, pandering Dems did. There is no public outcry to fix it and no real -- 81_Hokie 02/09/2018 10:11AM And if you could find 1 Democrat who cared about fiscal responsibility, -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 09:48AM Do you consider this round of tax cuts fiscally responsible? -- Shenhoo 02/09/2018 09:52AM Revenue and expenditures are two separate things. Reducing revenue in and -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 10:50AM Reducing revenue can certainly be irresponsible -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:07AM As is so often stated here, governmental budgeting and household (or -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:11AM No but there is this thing called "needs". When it comes to government -- 111Balz 02/09/2018 1:34PM If "we", as a society, desire to take care of those who fall behind, -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 1:52PM Yeah whatever. let's try to stay in the real world ** -- 111Balz 02/09/2018 2:16PM Liberalism...ideas so good they have to be implemented by force. ** -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 2:45PM Anything can change. Yes. -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:13AM Only problem with that is that every single tax cut ultimately led to more -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:34AM With that said, they still should be cutting spending rather than jacking -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:36AM I would argue that setting spending without regard to realistic -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:23AM Perhaps -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:27AM Politicians will never voluntarily cut spending...it's the currency with -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:39AM Correction.. -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:43AM True in a general sense -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:42AM That's not going to last forever, though... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:45AM Oh, let's just kick the can down the road again... ** -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:48AM Yeah, because they (the politicians) won't be there when the can... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:50AM I'm curious to know how you think Democrats would shape a tax cut -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:34AM Likely something akin to untaxing those under, say, $100k and raising the -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:45AM It isn't obvious? -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:37AM Right, but the aggregate income taxes paid by the bottom 60% of tax payers -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 11:53AM I'm not arguing ideology. Why are you? -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:59AM I think you're missing his point. You can't give a tax cut to folks that -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 12:06PM That's ideology. And semantics. -- Beerman 02/09/2018 12:10PM Or it can be sold as a bigger handout, because that's exactly what it is. -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 12:23PM It's what I do... -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 12:04PM Is that right? Those are some surprising numbers... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:55AM Two things: -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 12:03PM I'll have to check last year's tax form to see where I stand... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 12:06PM In 2013 the percentile cutoffs were: -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 12:28PM Just pay your "fair share" you 1%er. :-) ** -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 12:08PM Haha, that made my day, thanks! ** -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 12:19PM The obvious conservative position. -- Shenhoo 02/09/2018 11:20AM You just ignored the revenue stand. -- Shenhoo 02/09/2018 11:04AM I did?!? ** -- Hokie5150 02/09/2018 11:05AM By themselves,yes. Would be more so if they actually cut spending to offset -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:09AM Trumpletons don't care about gov't spending, in general -- Beerman 02/09/2018 09:34AM Guess they'll get to that "waste, fraud, and abuse" later. Just like fixing -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 09:46AM Because the economics are a show. Have always been. -- Beerman 02/09/2018 09:48AM Never understood how social conservative had anything to do with being a -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:03AM Because the GOP is a mix between evangelicals and fiscal conservatives... -- Freddyburg Hokie 02/09/2018 11:48AM Words have meanings. Sometimes two of them -- Beerman 02/09/2018 10:10AM Yes, I think your 2nd paragraph nails the real reason. GOP realized they -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:16AM I think you have causality backwards, but ... -- Beerman 02/09/2018 10:23AM Fair point. Not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg but yeah, -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:28AM It created a few voter shifts ..... -- VaTechie 02/09/2018 10:43AM No doubt.But I think that's a result of a lot of Dem fear mongering as well -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:57AM It is not just Roe vs. Wade -- VaTechie 02/09/2018 11:09AM OK let's take gay rights. Since that unholy alliance was formed, we have -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 11:20AM I am talking about a shift -- VaTechie 02/09/2018 12:07PM I think you guys can nail it down to Roe v. Wade. Religious right focal. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 10:36AM No. That was just a tool. -- Beerman 02/09/2018 11:16AM We're saying the same thing. Roe galvanized the religious right. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/09/2018 11:26AM Because the GOP is not a conservative party - it's a right wing nationalist -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 10:04AM So both parties want to use Gov't for social engineering, just different -- Hoodafan 02/09/2018 10:11AM Well, to be fair, there is a huge difference when government handouts -- Hoo23 02/09/2018 09:44AM Well that's true.....in reverse of your understanding, of course, but still -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 09:58AM I'm not sure about that. Handouts to the poor do a great job of stimulating -- WahooMatt05 02/09/2018 09:50AM I'm not suggesting they don't play their part in stimulating the economy -- Hoo23 02/09/2018 09:59AM What are "the handouts" you speak of that disincent people to get jobs? -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 10:15AM Well that's how they frame it. Yes you are absolutely right. ** -- Beerman 02/09/2018 09:49AM Well thats one more than you have on the left -- TomKazanski 02/09/2018 09:31AM Was waiting for Lindsay Graham to tackle him on the Senate floor. ** -- JMHoo 02/09/2018 09:26AM Agree....but what's' the fix? -- Folly Beach Hokie 02/09/2018 09:16AM Obama era GOP absolutely pissed at Trump era GOP -- 79 Wahoo 02/09/2018 09:09AM Rand voted for a massive tax cut only a few weeks ago. ** -- DanTheFan 02/09/2018 09:03AM Tax cuts dont equal govt spending -- TomKazanski 02/09/2018 09:30AM Giving people back more of their money, as a concept, just means giving big -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 09:37AM Don't like progressive taxation? -- BocaHoo91 02/09/2018 09:55AM And that all speaks to tax code and/or the unnecessary complexity of it. -- Folly Beach Hokie 02/09/2018 09:53AM Fair point. Say what you will about the tenets of Libertarianism, but at -- WahooRQ 02/09/2018 09:23AM Lol. nice use of that quote. ** -- hoothat 02/09/2018 11:10AM
