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fishhoo

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I have to disagree a bit with the way you characterize things


Apologies if I am misreading what you are saying. A primary comment of yours is certainly fair and often repeated -- one can and should be critical of Israel in many ways, but that doesn't necessarily make one anti-Semitic. That is absolutely always true and it is always wrong when unfair labels attach over this issue.

However, you seem almost completely dismissive of additional issues -- other than "there are always issues everywhere on all sides". That is true, but it is more in my opinion. Antisemitism -- like anti many things -- is not only plenty alive and well, but likely growing in different corners, including all parts of the political spectrum. I also believe that plenty like to (over)use the "I'm only talking about Israel" card in a very misleading way. I hate personal labels in general because short of the most brazen statements, who among us can be in anybody else's head? But there are real issues all over the political spectrum on this issue -- certainly including any definition of the left as well. Some I think is classic antisemitism -- some likely less conscious, but rooted in real ignorance and in many ways with the same roots that we scream about with racism or sexism or other similar issues. Yet, for various reasons -- some (and plenty on the left imo) seem more tolerant or interested in making flimsy justifications for fairly concerning comments -- more it seems sometimes when it comes to antisemitism compared to other "ism's".

I think the WSJ essay is a decent one as it tries to go into more detail than most about a number of issues -- everything from very personal accounts that you don't often see about growing up in that environment to putting into a little perspective what AIPAC actually spends on lobbying (not that this paints the entire picture either, but so many always just throw them out there as a prime example of the "money control" in DC). I always also find it worthwhile to read deeply personal perspectives, even though it is always anecdotal.

I think you draw a false equivalency when you say "hey, it is basically the same on both sides -- what some Muslims say about Jews and vice-versa". Of course there are examples of anti-Muslim feelings among Jewish individuals -- there are examples of anti-any group feelings across every society across the history of time. We hope it is better today, but it still has a long way to go. So your comment is fair, but it misses the bigger picture in my opinion. Whatever you find in that regard among Jews and individual examples, it is not the same thing as what has been much deeper seeded and in fact indoctrination, as just one example, in some circles of formal education of antisemitism in modern times across areas of the Middle East. By no means is this the only force either, but you are not going to find an analogous example to that kind of stuff in Jewish homes or education anywhere. I am not blaming the Muslim religion for this or anything inherent in some Arab populations. It is heavily a result of issues such as ongoing conflict that seems never-ending and how ruthless leadership finds ways to embolden its own power uniting -- over generations -- an often downtrodden society around false and outside causes. But regardless of the reasons, it exists.

I am also extremely troubled by things like the BDS movement -- which is essentially supported by some definition of the "left". I would argue whether some are driven out of actual antisemitism (less likely, I think/hope) or more out of what I would call ignorance - given all of the geopolitical issues on the planet along with numerous examples of what you actually see in Israeli society - it is a very misplaced effort that I would argue does little but create more division and mistrust about its underpinnings.

In my opinion, Representative Omar -- as a member of U.S. Congress - has done a very poor job with her rhetoric on this. Whether it is based on how she truly feels herself or out of ignorance or complete insensitivity -- I don't know. But she could do a lot better and is not a positive voice on any of these issues. And NONE of this is meant to suggest that there aren't vitriolic groups and voices who are not under any definition on the "left". This is a serious and aspect of the rhetoric from this administration and how it emboldens those with some disgusting values. But it doesn't mean there aren't troubling things brewing in other circles as well or that people should be dismissive of those things just because it isn't linked to traditional supporters of this administration.

(In response to this post by Chuck Taylor)

Posted: 07/13/2019 at 1:10PM



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Growing anti-Semitism on the left... -- Hoos Operator 07/13/2019 08:38AM
  No doubt it exists and probably always has. -- KCHoo 07/13/2019 12:39PM
  Been there for a while ** -- Style Lady 07/13/2019 12:37PM
  For starters, HO's premise is dead ass wrong. -- Chuck Taylor 07/13/2019 10:14AM
  Lol. Very insightful... -- hoothat 07/13/2019 12:27PM
  ^^^ Paging HowieT3...lack of nuance alert!^^^ ** -- Moneyshot 07/13/2019 12:05PM
  Or, you shouldn't just tell part of the story... -- Moneyshot 07/14/2019 08:40AM
  I didn’t. ** -- 111Balz 07/14/2019 10:26AM
  You did ** -- Moneyshot 07/14/2019 10:48AM
  Of course you're happy to push the lie. -- Hoodafan 07/13/2019 12:02PM
  I think Chris Rock said it -- WahooMatt05 07/13/2019 12:38PM
  SMH. -- hoothat 07/13/2019 12:48PM
  And another pertinent part -- Hoodafan 07/13/2019 12:04PM
  Liar ** -- ryno hoo 07/13/2019 11:42AM
  I didn't refer to Nazis either. -- Chuck Taylor 07/13/2019 11:16AM
  You're asking righties to do nuance again. -- HowieT3 07/13/2019 10:48AM
  Jews will not replace us. -- Chuck Taylor 07/13/2019 08:58AM
  Many fine people write op eds at the WSJ ** -- WahooMatt05 07/13/2019 09:01AM
  ^ classic whataboutism defensive responses. ** -- Hoos Operator 07/13/2019 09:05AM
  Can Ilhan Omar Overcome Her Prejudice? -- Hoos Operator 07/13/2019 08:46AM
  Of course you do. smh ** -- 111Balz 07/13/2019 08:45AM

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