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JMHoo

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From Ed Morrissey:


We now have two of the “Three Amigos” on Ukraine insisting that they never got directed to support a quid pro quo. Assuming they’re testifying truthfully, they would have been passing that message along to their contacts in Ukraine as well, which means that they would have been eliminating the pressure to dig up dirt on the Bidens. They would have related Trump’s words about wanting “nothing” in exchange for the aid, and specifically, “There is no quid pro quo.”

That does not mean that Giuliani would have refrained from saying something different, of course. However, it would be strange indeed to pass along diametrically opposed statements when the point would have been to pressure Ukraine into a particular — and uncomfortable — action. The Ukrainians might well have concluded that the State Department represented the official US position and that Giuliani (assuming he communicated a quid pro quo, which he has denied) was a cowboy wandering off the ranch, so to speak.

Sondland’s criticism of using Giuliani in Ukrainian diplomacy makes sense for that reason. Using a personal attorney to run official diplomatic policy without an official portfolio is confusing at best for allies, who can’t be sure who actually matters in the equation. However — and this is critical — that delegation still falls within the purview of the president. It might be ill-advised (and certainly looks that way in this instance), but it’s not at all illegal. Presidents have used private citizens and friends as back-channel diplomats for many years, sometimes openly, usually not, with mixed results. It’s never been thought to be an impeachable offense, nor should it alone be in this case.

From Sondland’s statement, it doesn’t appear that Democrats can advance their hypothesis on impeachment. Bad practices? Sure, but if Trump had demanded an inappropriate personal quid pro quo for a probe into the Bidens, Sondland and Volker would have to have known about it at some point, if not from Trump then from their Ukrainian contacts. There’s no evidence it exists, at least so far, which makes all of this oppo-research fodder and not much else.

(In response to this post by Blah)

Posted: 10/17/2019 at 1:20PM



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  They always leave that part out ** -- TomKazanski 10/17/2019 12:56PM
  2 of the 3 have now said no QPQ. ** -- JMHoo 10/17/2019 12:53PM
  From Ed Morrissey: -- JMHoo 10/17/2019 1:20PM
  No Oval Office visit unless he met with Guiliani -- WahooMatt05 10/17/2019 10:56AM
  I have to believe that some GOP senators -- Hfbyrd 10/17/2019 11:44AM
  Yes, that Giuliani ** -- wahoo138 10/17/2019 11:36AM
  Mike Pompeyo is coming across as a spineless tool. -- Shenhoo 10/17/2019 10:51AM
  I wouldn't be shocked at all to find out ... -- Beerman 10/17/2019 10:56AM
  Pompeo is, in fact, a spineless tool ** -- WaxHoo 10/17/2019 10:55AM

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