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CMUHoo

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I don't think Trump's supporters are evil, just factually wrong


I think Trump is a narcissistic "useful idiot" who has no sense of right and wrong and was easily played by evil people (Bannon, Putin, Manafort, etc), so if you want to call that evil then go ahead. I very much don't think that Trump's supporters are evil in most cases. If I thought you were evil I wouldn't bother talking to you. Same for hooda. I mostly ignore some of the others because they are more aligned with the "basket of deplorables" IMO.

Genuinely, I post on here because I think that 30-40% of the country has decided they would rather believe lies told by Trump's team, Fox News, OAN, etc than actually acknowledge inconvenient truths. That includes several members of my own family. I'm here to change your mind and convince you that your understanding of Trump and the events of the past four years is wrong. The same could be said for liberals, but they have more facts on their side when it comes to democratic norms at the moment, so it's less of an urgent catastrophe.

I agree that yucky speech by yucky people is allowed in public. There are exceptions, incitement being one of them. Twitter and Facebook are not the public square. They are businesses that have the right to run their business as they see fit (see, I actually have conservative beliefs on business!). They have decided that they don't want to let Donald Trump use their platforms to say things that are factually untrue and to lie to the other people on the platform. I happen to support that from a public good perspective, but you're not obligated to use Twitter and Facebook if their choices offend you. If Trump wants to get up on a stage and give a speech full of lies he's allowed to do that as long as he doesn't incite a riot. Fox is allowed to cover it because we have a free press and CNN and MSNBC are allowed to ignore it for the same reason. Everyone is free to make their own business decisions within the legislatively agreed upon regulations (Section 230, etc). I haven't argued for Twitter or Facebook to be broken up or those regulations to change, even if I'd like to see them more aggressively fact check posts on their platforms and ban liars on both sides with more regularity. I sure wish Fox would tell the truth more and not focus on turning a profit based on lies that appeal to their viewers, but they have that right too. That's free speech, free assembly, free press, and the freedom to run a business without government interference.

(In response to this post by Los Angeles Hoo)

Posted: 05/05/2021 at 4:24PM



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Ban upheld ** -- Plano Hoo 05/05/2021 09:06AM
  Me So Horny? ** -- Plano Hoo 05/05/2021 12:44PM
  Thats one of them...... ** -- Zhoo 05/05/2021 2:50PM
  Well, he is the enemy of the people ** -- Brown Water 05/05/2021 10:35AM
  He can. He violated their rules. He’s gone. Game over. -- WahooMatt05 05/05/2021 10:56AM
  People already bitch about Twitter banning them -- WahooMatt05 05/05/2021 11:20AM
  Your standard "it's all a big conspiracy" argument. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/05/2021 12:40PM
  No. A conspiracy takes place in the shadows. This is just... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:46PM
  Oh sure, if you say so. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/05/2021 12:47PM
  Post it. Copy and paste Trump's post that organized a mob... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 11:57AM
  Inside -- CMUHoo 05/05/2021 12:23PM
  Yes, he publicized a political protest, which is... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:31PM
  The reactions of anyone's supporters are irrelevant... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:41PM
  But he didn't incite a riot. You're just... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 1:01PM
  Line of events -- CMUHoo 05/05/2021 1:08PM
  Look, I get it... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 1:26PM
  Your last paragraph is inaccurate... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 3:58PM
  Understood, and well-said, IMO. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 5:48PM
  Zero, as expected. Remember Q, the... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:17PM
  You're an idiot. ** -- WahooRQ 05/05/2021 12:26PM
  LOLZ. Falling back on name-calling. Very on-brand. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:33PM
  Did you post the right example? -- Folly Beach Hokie 05/05/2021 11:51AM
  You’re right. My bad. ** -- WahooMatt05 05/05/2021 12:46PM
  On the other hand. -- Chuck Taylor 05/05/2021 10:48AM
  Sunlight remains a pretty good disinfectant ** -- Manti Teo 05/05/2021 10:36AM
  Wasn't that Parler? ** -- HptHokie 05/05/2021 11:19AM
  To say nothing of, you know, Facebook -- Fuzzy Dunlop 05/05/2021 10:36AM
  One thing I noticed about Ben Shapiro ... -- Blah 05/05/2021 10:48AM
  It can't be done without U.S. legislation protecting speech... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 10:43AM
  Agree -- tchoo 05/05/2021 10:55AM
  Great post. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 10:16AM
  Lefty cowardice on full display. That’s a good sign. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 09:45AM
  Fair enough, but in this case... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:38PM
  Larry Flynt and a shit ton of writers disagree ** -- Molina 05/05/2021 11:01AM
  A few responses:... -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 11:01AM
  I'm just saying it's both. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 12:52PM
  Repeat** -- Plano Hoo 05/05/2021 11:32AM
  LA Hoothat is not a conservative. ** -- Blah 05/05/2021 10:21AM
  That's true. ** -- Los Angeles Hoo 05/05/2021 10:32AM
  We know. ** -- Blah 05/05/2021 10:32AM
  ...big social media certainly does ** -- Folly Beach Hokie 05/05/2021 10:10AM
  You don't think companies try to maximize profit? ** -- JohnHoo2 05/05/2021 10:43AM
  Who are companies? -- Folly Beach Hokie 05/05/2021 10:50AM
  Yup, live by the sword, die by the sword...of social media ** -- Folly Beach Hokie 05/05/2021 10:26AM
  Clearly there's a conservative void in social media -- HptHokie 05/05/2021 10:14AM
  If the decision was made by an independent board of lawyers, -- hoolstoptheheels 05/05/2021 10:09AM
  All your speech are belong to us.** -- ResistHoo 05/05/2021 09:37AM
  Covefefe? ** -- Plano Hoo 05/05/2021 09:38AM
  Might get some takers with the Fuentes idea. ** -- hokie in cville 05/05/2021 09:45AM
  LOL. ** -- HowieT3 05/05/2021 09:56AM
  What a shame ** -- TomGlansAski 05/05/2021 09:20AM
  Richly deserved ** -- WaxHoo 05/05/2021 09:12AM

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