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I don’t think I’ve seen a thread here about the recent dust up with France. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 08:37AM Wut dust up?!?!? Joey's got us respected in the world again. ** -- ResistHoo 09/20/2021 11:31AM Maybe and maybe not. I think the French would likely have been pissed off -- Seattle .Hoo 09/20/2021 11:19AM I think the deal was a smart move. I think leaving France in -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 2:03PM Pretty much agree but you say France is being more "middle path" with China -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 12:14PM I'm old enough to remember being told Trump would shit on our allies and -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 09:43AM That's different. ** -- ResistHoo 09/20/2021 11:31AM Do you mean by arbitrarily pulling out of the Paris accord, the Iran nuclea -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 11:18AM Oh and throw in his Afghanistan exit deal with the Taliban -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 11:22AM Is "exit deal" new fangled nomenclature for unconditional surrender now? ** -- Shenhoo 09/20/2021 12:50PM Yes, because that’s what his actions suggested -- WahooMatt05 09/20/2021 10:16AM If he’d had 4 more years, I believe the dangers of that were high. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 09:51AM Getting NATO to pay more has been a D talking point for a long time and -- HokieDan95 09/20/2021 12:13PM No, that’s not what I said, and it is certainly not bullshit that he -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 12:25PM So Trump got our allies to pay more of their "fair share" for NATO, while -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 10:18AM That's also different. ** -- ResistHoo 09/20/2021 11:32AM Simplistic AF. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 09/20/2021 11:21AM You’re an idiot. ** -- WahooRQ 09/20/2021 10:52AM Well, thanks for that expression of over the top partisanship. Although -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 10:35AM They were always going to pay more. Stop. ** -- hooshouse 09/20/2021 10:34AM They were? Then why hadn't they been? ** -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 10:46AM They were waiting for Orange Asswipe to be gone so they could get him. ** -- ResistHoo 09/20/2021 11:33AM I don’t remember the particulars, and this is what you Trumpers do, but -- hooshouse 09/20/2021 10:51AM This should help you: -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 10:59AM In 2014 they agreed to a 2 percent increase by 2024. ** -- hooshouse 09/20/2021 11:02AM Which they weren't making strides at, and even cutting. And knew folks like -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 11:09AM You’re correct. There’s no other way to spin something you’ve -- SixerHoo 09/20/2021 11:51AM Stop. You are parroting nonsense** -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 11:13AM Whatever you have to tell yourself, Jackie. ** -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 11:18AM Ah, the typical retort of last resort when you finally realize -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 11:20AM When you post your usual childish attack lies, that's the reply you merit. -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 11:36AM Nope, only when you have nothing else you can think of to say and you won’t -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 1:40PM Whatever you have to tell yourself, Jackie. ** -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 1:41PM There’s that last resort retort again, for the same reason -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 1:44PM 8 year olds tend to be more thoughtful and mature than that dumb bag of -- WahooRQ 09/20/2021 1:50PM So now he’s going to use it even more frequently, kind of like he tried to -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 1:56PM LOL! Liar. The extent of your "contribution" was -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 2:09PM It is nonsense. You believe what Trump tells you to believe ** -- 111Balz 09/20/2021 2:29PM Whatever you have to tell yourself, Jackie. ** -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 2:34PM It's not so much a "see through him" as it is just seeing he's a moron. -- WahooRQ 09/20/2021 2:02PM Whatever you have to tell yourself, Jackie. ** -- Hoodafan 09/20/2021 1:47PM You were so wrong in 2014 on the Corner. LOL at you! Burn! ** -- WahooRQ 09/20/2021 11:24AM Demanding more spending while undermining the alliance - that’s the problem ** -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 10:36AM And I thought it was to their own defense? I may be confusing -- hooshouse 09/20/2021 10:35AM Someone still in grade school could be old enough to recall that. ; ) ** -- NJHoo 09/20/2021 09:51AM I agree we should avoid unnecessarily antagonizing them. But what would you -- TomGlansAski 09/20/2021 08:52AM I have not heard exactly why France was even excluded from the deal. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 09:00AM Seems the Aussies regarded the French technology to be inferior ** -- WaxHoo 09/20/2021 10:43AM Sounds like Aus decided to go with nuclear instead of diesel, which is a -- JohnHoo2 09/20/2021 11:33AM They did. Politico says 12 - 18 months of issues, and in April AUS didn't -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 12:10PM Boneheaded of us? If they had a deal with AUS shouldn't AUS be the ones to -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 09:17AM No, I totally disagree. This isn’t just about notice on a cancelled deal. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 09:46AM That France recalled their ambassadors just says that they are upset, it -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 10:16AM IMO, you stand alone among foreign policy observers in thinking -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 10:25AM I see articles saying that France is upset. I don't see anybody really -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 10:51AM Maybe you’d have been this magnanimous with something similar -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 11:17AM I still find it a little odd that France seems to caught in complete -- JohnHoo2 09/20/2021 11:39AM Agree with both points. As I asked HSTH elsewhere, imagine we had been the -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 1:10PM Point is about blindsiding them with a major agreement -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 1:47PM And you still naven't answered: -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 2:09PM I don’t even see the relevance. How does this have anything -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 2:36PM Because it's EXACTLY analogous! You think WE are at fault for not telling -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 2:46PM It is exactly not analogous, no matter how loudly you shout with all caps. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 2:54PM You know the French have opted out of some China control alliances recently -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 3:25PM I feel like this if France's history... weren't they providing nuke or -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 3:48PM My impression is not that they needed to be brought in. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 3:33PM Bottom line is, they (partly as a result of their own actions and inaction -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 4:27PM In the end, that may be a fair analysis SDH. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 5:06PM Seriously? Do you think we told France or anybody else that they couldn't -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 3:06PM I seriously think the French didn’t know about it until -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 3:32PM The artilcle you linked focuses on French reaction. It even implies that it -- 81_Hokie 09/20/2021 11:31AM The Pacific trilateral pact between the UK, US, and Australia is -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 12:31PM The "focus" is where the media and commentariat wants it to be, for their -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 1:37PM Well, I don’t doubt that the ramifications politically will ultimately not -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 1:42PM I haven't look much beyond the headlines. But seems to be a bit of odd move -- JohnHoo2 09/20/2021 08:44AM France’s Aussie contract was plagued with cost overruns and timeline pushes ** -- Newt 09/20/2021 09:31AM Upsetting China is the idea. This is purely about countering -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 08:54AM Bad communications, the root to bad marriages and bad global diplomacy and. -- GoochlandHoo 09/20/2021 12:35PM ^^ This is it -- exaclty ^^ ** -- Skeets 09/20/2021 10:54AM I totally agree. It’s an unforced error on a gimme into an empty court. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 12:40PM Master stroke by Joey. Off balanced China & NoKo (did you know they were -- Lazarus 09/20/2021 08:48AM This is the opposite of a master stroke. It’s an alliance that everybody -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 09:04AM WSJ has an editorial bias towards making this seem an order of magnitude -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 10:55AM Well, I can’t claim any expertise that any other poster here -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 12:35PM I can'r speak to what FP talking heads you've seen, but isn't it part of -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 12:47PM In 230 years, France has never recalled their ambassador. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 1:09PM I still don't understand how it could have been avoided, given Australia's -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 1:24PM I’ve yet to see anyone in the FP space who doesn’t think it -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 1:36PM Yeah, I disagree with that for the reasons 81_Hokie has elaborated upon. -- southdenverhoo 09/20/2021 1:38PM Fair enough - agree to disagree on this one to an extent. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/20/2021 1:50PM