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Yes, anyone that disagrees with you has no clue. Yawwwwn. So why are you

talking about the women that voted for Hillary vs Obama again? Wouldn't the real question be how many racists refused to vote for Obama because he's black vs how many misogynists refused to vote for Hillary? Or are you only considering women for possible racism or misogyny?

Ultimately the question is are there more racists or misogynists in this country. And how does that compare to the (reverse) number of those that would vote for someone solely or primarily for them based on race/gender. I happen to believe racism is still a bigger problem in this country (hence the Obama hurdle comment), and that there are a larger number of potential (reverse misogyny if you will) women to be able to offset some of that misogyny vote than there would be to offset the racist voters. I guess I could be wrong.

And finally, when comparing groups that voted for Obama vs Hillary, you seem to be ignoring what is a yooooge factor. Obama is very likable. Hillary is not. You think that might've had something to do with why your relatives wouldn't vote for her? Or is their misogyny the only possible explanation? Hell, I would've easily voted for '08 Obama over Trump. May have even done it in '16, even after 8 yrs exposed the truth about his actions vs. his "hope". Hillary offered more of the same flawed actions and then some, but none of the likability.

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Posted: 04/20/2018 at 4:20PM

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