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Hoodafan

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Toning down rhetoric and calling out hyperbole, and in some cases outright


fabrications for political gain, is not the same as "cheerleading" or "relishing torture". You used to be much more rational, and one of my favorite lefty posters here when you were much more active, and before Trump, so let me try to help you see this from a different perspective.

I've been pretty consistent on this topic from the start, and the more I researched and paid attention, my thoughts remain virtually unchanged. I always leaned towards not separating families, although I can at least appreciate an argument that putting kids with family or vetted foster parents while the parents go through the months long process maybe less "cruel" than keeping them together in a Superdome post-Katrina or "tent cities" like situation. This EO stopping separation will likely be killed by the courts IMO as soon as the first non-separated family hits 21 days and the difficulties faced in not separating due to Flores. Simply ignoring the laws for most cases as we did in the past, and releasing the families when we've seen figures of 20-40% not returning for trial, and over 80% of these asylum claims being denied by the courts, is not a tenable solution. Especially not to someone that was elected in part on a promise to address and fix these problems that have gone on for decades.

So it is definitely on the Dems, and much more than an ounce. Saying Trump is "cruel", and opposing separation alone, is not policy nor a solution. Neither is equating it to Nazis, Japanese internment camps, or CIA black sites implying these kids are treated and tortured like terrorists. Nor does your doubling down here by claiming Trump is just a "monster", that we're cheerleading solely to justify our votes, suffer from cognitive dissonance, and none of us have a soul like those that agree with you do. You certainly can't dare put an ounce of that type of rhetoric on the GOP.

Like I said, there are legislative solutions being put forth. The "compromise solution" supposedly will address this separation including funding for housing these families, and speeding up the asylum process to minimize their time in detention. It also gives a permanent fix to DACA kids well beyond what DACA did and gives them a path to citizenship unlike DACA. It also addresses improving the legal immigration system. In exchange it is asking for funding for the wall and improved border security, something the Dems have agreed to before and keep claiming they support. That's what the GOP is doing in terms of getting an actual solution rather than rhetoric and "cheerleading". I would hope you would urge some Dems to actually support that, so that "not an ounce of this" not having a solution is on them. But I wouldn't hold your breath on their actually doing it. So far, they seem more interested in keeping this as a hyperbolic emotional tug on the heart strings for political gain, than an actual solution.

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Posted: 06/26/2018 at 1:32PM



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