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So, to me, this opens up an interesting wormhole on how Lynchburg imploded.

Falwell, Jr. and Northam obviously do not send Christmas cards to each other.
That's fine, they both have big responsibities of their own. I guess you would
say that Falwell, Jr. is more Northam's problem then vice versa, to be fair.
Falwell, Jr. decided that he had no use for Northam mandating masks. He
responds by tweeting out a picture of mask with the Blackface picture on it.
Falwell is considered the racist for doing that(Not gonna argue the point, but
it is an interesting swerve, to me). Then the owners of 5th and Federal retweet
and ask for a shipment of those Masks with Northam's picture for their employees.
5th and Federal restaurant(Which I have quite enjoyed many times in the past, about
40 minutes from my house) was built in a reconfitted Gas Station in the middle
of a historically Black neighborhood as part of Urban renewal near the Downtown.
Restaurant and the connecting building next door didn't get burned down, but
it got destroyed with rock throwing. Saw a 14 yo kid in one video doing the rock
throwing, as well.

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Posted: 06/04/2020 at 11:50AM

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Troll. ** -- hoothat 06/04/2020 12:54PM

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That's possible, but that isn't what you asked. -- Plano Hoo 06/04/2020 11:34AM

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So, to me, this opens up an interesting wormhole on how Lynchburg imploded. -- jdubforwahoowa 06/04/2020 11:50AM

I think not having to look at a statue of Robert E.Lee might improve -- Plano Hoo 06/04/2020 11:22AM

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People know what Lee stood for. The Confederacy. -- Plano Hoo 06/04/2020 11:31AM

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Hollywood Cemetery? ** -- Mad Bowl Hoo 06/04/2020 11:06AM

This I like.. ** -- hoobedda 06/04/2020 11:11AM

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