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CMUHoo

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I'm not saying it could've succeeded. I'm saying they tried anyways.


Is it an attempted bloody coup if some of them intend to kill or maim someone and believe it will result in overturning the results of an election even though they're mistaken? Is it attempted murder if they went after someone with a plastic knife that they earnestly believed was deadly with the intention of killing that person? I'd argue yes to both. I'm not sure that all or most of them thought it would work, but I'm pretty sure that a sizable minority thought it would. I knew they wouldn't succeed in overturning the election and I've tried to avoid inflammatory language here, but objectively speaking I don't think "attempted bloody coup" is an inaccurate description of what happened.

Out of genuine curiosity, do you think that Trump thought Pence could overturn the election when he gave his speech on 1/6? He said that Pence could come through for them. Was he lying to the crowd or was he attempting a coup? As far as I can tell, it's either one or the other (or both I guess if you consider the speech incitement). Trump didn't say it had to be a bloody coup, but if you take him at face value he's advocating for a coup. From the speech:
"I hope so because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do. This is from the number one or certainly one of the top constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our constitution, and protect our constitution. States want to revote. The States got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice-President Pence has to do is send it back to the States to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people."

(In response to this post by Hoodafan)

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Posted: 02/23/2021 at 7:02PM



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Sicknick's mom believes he died of a stroke -- HokieDan95 02/23/2021 12:36PM
  Reminds me of an bit from an old Family Guy episode. -- Seattle .Hoo 02/23/2021 2:45PM
  I bought tickets ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/23/2021 2:10PM
  ...and a $1400/night room ** -- Brown Water 02/23/2021 2:11PM
  And my MTGA(Make Treason Great Again) hat (inside) -- FfxStationHokie 02/23/2021 2:14PM
  You got em now -- joejoe 02/23/2021 1:52PM
  What were they armed with? ** -- HokieDan95 02/23/2021 1:27PM
  They had assault zip ties - the black ones!!!! ** -- ResistHoo 02/23/2021 1:32PM
  AKA Zip ties of mass destruction! ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 1:35PM
  It's super adorable that they... -- ResistHoo 02/23/2021 1:58PM
  This is better than Primal Fear -- HoodatB 02/23/2021 2:22PM
  I don’t think there’s any Aaron ** -- 111Balz 02/23/2021 2:27PM
  Um.... -- ResistHoo 02/23/2021 2:25PM
  Noooooooo!!!! It's me they're onto, not you!!! -- ResistHoo 02/23/2021 2:10PM
  Let's take "bloody coup" apart for a minute -- CMUHoo 02/23/2021 3:11PM
  “Tween girl”? What a spiral. ** -- DTsBicep 02/23/2021 2:37PM
  WTF are you talking about? -- HoodatB 02/23/2021 1:52PM
  He doesn't know what else to do. -- SchmHoo 02/23/2021 1:50PM
  I'm pro-choice, but carry on. ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 1:52PM
  Sure -- SchmHoo 02/23/2021 2:34PM
  You really couldn't follow that thought? Sad. ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 2:36PM
  They think is was a non event ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/23/2021 1:46PM
  Are you ever embarrassed by your bs? ** -- WaxHoo 02/23/2021 1:30PM
  Scary when someone is beyond embarrassment! ** -- HoodatB 02/23/2021 1:51PM
  I think he is empowered by it. ** -- DTsBicep 02/23/2021 1:50PM
  Obviously not. Sad really. ** -- FfxStationHokie 02/23/2021 1:33PM
  Clubs, stun guns, zip ties at the very least. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 02/23/2021 1:29PM
  Fire extinguishers ** -- wahoo138 02/23/2021 1:37PM
  You omitted hockey sticks .. ** -- WaxHoo 02/23/2021 1:31PM
  Does that make you feel better? ** -- HoosQ 02/23/2021 1:19PM
  His mother is an ME? ** -- WaxHoo 02/23/2021 12:43PM
  It's the Trump Times. Everyone's an expert. -- Beerman 02/23/2021 1:43PM
  WTF do you mean? -- HoodatB 02/23/2021 1:46PM
  Yeah, an angry mob storming the capitol with -- BocaHoo91 02/23/2021 1:25PM
  Empires have fallen from their podiums being stolen ** -- HokieDan95 02/23/2021 1:00PM
  You are the one calling it an attempted coupe ** -- HokieDan95 02/23/2021 1:29PM
  HOW WAS IT NOT???? -- HoodatB 02/23/2021 1:47PM
  That is common political rhetoric ** -- HokieDan95 02/23/2021 1:51PM
  I heard they almost got the nuclear launch codes. ** -- ResistHoo 02/23/2021 1:00PM
  AOC approves of your drama queen posts. ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 1:00PM
  And here comes the board's biggest drama tween! ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 1:33PM
  DQ usurped? ** -- Wahoo Gus 02/23/2021 2:11PM
  Not going anywhere Fascist Troll. ** -- Hoodafan 02/23/2021 1:38PM
  A shame ** -- WaxHoo 02/23/2021 1:42PM

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