that you support with jpm on the vaccines? What is the "rabbit hole" represented by anything I posted in this thread? You often come on here and try and say you are really all about libertarian principles so mostly troubled with mandates, etc... -- but you claim you aren't really anti-vaccine. So how is it exactly that I am down a "rabbit hole" on vaccines by pointing out the misleading nature of jpm's vaccine comments including ones specifically in this thread?

jpm posts constant negativity on the vaccines and layered on in this thread that they appear to do nothing about "long Covid". I posted a study (and there are others) suggesting that the exact opposite is true -- not only do they appear to be a powerful defense against long Covid, but continuing to emphasize that the vaccines remain critically important how effective they appear to be against the worst COVID effects -- hospitalization and death. I am not sure jpm has ever acknowledged this as either accurate or important even if it is real. He seems consumed with any possible negative argument against the vaccines. It seems more important to try and cast doubt by posting quotes from politicians -- all of which from every side of the aisle have made stupid and premature comments at times. This is what human beings can do, regardless of political persuasion. I find most of jpm's posts to be atrocious and often grossly misleading -- seemingly purposely painting an inaccurate overall picture about actual scientific vaccine efficacy and safety related to their most important aspects which is both sad and dangerous to the extent it actually may influence anybody.

So if you want to tell me I am down the "rabbit hole" while at the same time trying to argue how you are logical and even pro-vaccine -- I'd suggest you provide a little more meat than posting some drive by garbage.