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BonsackHoo

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Democracy in America has always been in flux.


You point this out in your own post. Some of the FBI actions pre-1970s are clearly not what we consider consistent with a liberal democratic state today. How certain groups of people were treated in the past is not consistent with what we consider a liberal democratic state today. BUT in all those timeframes, Americans would have considered themselves democratic (and perhaps the last, best hope for mankind). The point is you should not be so quick to discount change in American democracy.

Trump is a change agent. Even his own supporters admit this...thats why they voted for him. Do you agree that norms have been broken under Trump? I think thats pretty clear and we will see what comes from them.

I also worry that you think there is some kind of bright-line event that will clearly show that America has gone too dar down a dark path. But I don't think this is how it normally works. It is normally a death by a thousand cuts.

I also have no idea what you mean by checks and balances. The traditional checks and balances on the federal government are the separation of powers between the executive-legislative-judicial and federalism. Federalism is working somewhat, and perhaps the judiciary. But the legislature is not checking Trump. It is enabling him which is part of the worry that it is not fulfilling its institutional checks and balances role.


(In response to this post by HokieDan95)

Posted: 01/18/2018 at 9:14PM



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Democracy and Conservatism -- BonsackHoo 01/18/2018 5:02PM
  Reject Democracy? what does that mean? ** -- HokieDan95 01/18/2018 7:41PM
  It happened in 1933 ** -- Guy LeDouche 01/19/2018 07:59AM
  It means #winning -- BonsackHoo 01/18/2018 7:58PM
  I would hope these concerned conservatives -- walkthecorner 01/18/2018 10:36PM
  Well Played my friend. ** -- walkthecorner 01/19/2018 09:20AM
  Democracy in America has always been in flux. -- BonsackHoo 01/18/2018 9:14PM
  Not sure how much checks and balances -- walkthecorner 01/18/2018 10:11PM
  Ummm, really? ** -- hoothat 01/18/2018 11:05PM
  Wow - i suppose my you are funny commenr -- walkthecorner 01/18/2018 11:10PM
  Huh? I didn't care... ** -- hoothat 01/18/2018 11:13PM
  He's fear mongering about authorizationism ** -- Beerman 01/18/2018 7:43PM
  It's good to be authorized before you do something ** -- HokieDan95 01/18/2018 7:46PM
  They have a name---Republicans. ** -- Shenhoo 01/18/2018 5:58PM

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