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hoolstoptheheels

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I liked "alt-right", but I might have been answering a different question.


I don't like the phrase "at fault" here. Each individual is responsible for his/her own actions. Assuming no evidence of any active collusion by his pals, the only person I hold responsible for the murder is the driver of that car.

I think the collasal failure by Trump was his failure to call out the racism and bigotry firmly situated on just one side - represented in your options by "alt-right". The organizers of the protest. Anyone marching with them was marching with racism, nazism, bigotry. Period. The other side, however inappropriate some of their actions may have been, were there to oppose those things.

This is a distinction Trump did try to draw, in his stilted, scripted presentation on the following Monday. My anger would have been largely muted if he left it there. But of course he didn't. He discarded all that with great passion the next day. I view that as a stunning moral failure on his part.

But "at fault". If I run up on a Nazi alt-right skinhead white supremacist with a metal pipe and smash in his skull, I'm guilty of exactly the same thing that he would be if he did it to me. I think the anti-bigot side needs to be clear about that. If thugs under the guise of Antifa start bashing things, raising hell, beating people, and so on, the law should look at them just as they would racist thugs.

(In response to this post by BonsackHoo)

Posted: 08/05/2018 at 5:31PM



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  I place roughly equal blame on the nazis and the media -- CharlestonSC 08/05/2018 6:41PM
  Bull-fucking-shit. That is an appalling piece of equivalence. -- hoolstoptheheels 08/06/2018 09:35AM
  Yeah, uh huh. The media is the propaganda arm of the Deep State. -- hoolstoptheheels 08/06/2018 09:46AM
  That's a pretty dangerous argument to make. -- VAGentleman05 08/05/2018 10:39PM
  Yep. ** -- Hokieesith 08/05/2018 8:30PM
  Wow. ** -- hooshouse 08/05/2018 6:42PM
  You have a slight problem -- hoothat 08/05/2018 4:40PM
  You're a joke, dude ** -- 111Balz 08/05/2018 7:56PM
  I believe in free speech. -- hoothat 08/06/2018 02:12AM
  You're an idiot, dude. ** -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:56PM
  Way to get metaphysical man. -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 4:45PM
  He reads Nietzsche. ** -- WahooRQ 08/05/2018 7:46PM
  Cute. I always draw out the usual subjects. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:14PM
  Coming from a guy -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:39PM
  There were good people on many sides. Right ** -- VAGentleman05 08/05/2018 6:38PM
  You’re wrong. Antifa was there. -- Hoos Operator 08/05/2018 5:55PM
  So what. Nazis attacked our city and our school -- 111Balz 08/05/2018 8:09PM
  They "attacked" -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:49PM
  Go sieg heil somewhere else ** -- 111Balz 08/06/2018 07:15AM
  They were evicted from where they were... -- hoothat 08/05/2018 9:00PM
  ...You are talking out of your ass. -- hoothat 08/06/2018 09:46AM
  I didn't change shit -- hoothat 08/06/2018 10:01AM
  Did I defend that? -- hoothat 08/05/2018 9:49PM
  Crickets ** -- Dudeman 08/05/2018 9:46PM
  Sorry, I was talking to a deaf guy. ** -- hoothat 08/05/2018 9:50PM
  Then you were not “talking” to me. ** -- Dudeman 08/05/2018 9:58PM
  I know, that's why I apologized. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 10:02PM
  A metaphor for this board if ever I read one. Buncha guys -- southdenverhoo 08/06/2018 08:38AM
  Are you seriously comparing an act of free speech -- hoothat 08/05/2018 5:33PM
  SMH. Your town was not invaded... -- hoothat 08/05/2018 6:27PM
  And you are seeing what you want. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:41PM
  Are you having fun? -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:53PM
  Definition of invasion: -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 7:06PM
  What a dumbass statement. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:16PM
  If you think that was an invasion... -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:23PM
  Another ad hominem. Bravo. -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 8:48PM
  Finally you get it. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:50PM
  I said that? Weird. It's not on my screen. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 8:55PM
  It's not an invasion if you have permission. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 9:03PM
  Probably me? Ya know what, fuck you. -- hoothat 08/05/2018 10:00PM
  Unhinged. ** -- Hooddihsm 08/06/2018 08:00AM
  Sure, whatever you say ** -- hoothat 08/06/2018 09:15AM
  Sure, whatever you say ** -- hoothat 08/06/2018 09:14AM
  It wasn’t an invasion. ** -- Hokieesith 08/05/2018 7:08PM
  "Jews will not replace us" ** -- hooshouse 08/05/2018 6:44PM
  I agree with you. -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 6:18PM
  Antifa ** -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 4:28PM
  Alt-Right ** -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 4:28PM
  Everyone ** -- BonsackHoo 08/05/2018 4:28PM

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