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hoolstoptheheels

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I totally agree that Fuzzy is inventing a partisan grievance.


That the losses in HW's political career were ignored. In everything I saw, they were emphasized, including by his own family. His defeats, refusal to stay down, and comebacks (really end runs around the defeats - he didn't recover from his 1970 defeat with an electoral win - he became a reliable appointee in a number of roles, mostly relating to foreign policy, that left him uniquely qualified for his senior exec roles of the 1980s and early 90s), are an indispensable element of his life story and legacy. And they were emphasized everywhere. You saw people bitching and moaning about CNN? I missed that - I saw it about the AP. This thread is the world's greatest example of how the media really is fair on whole, at least as indicated by the fact that all the politicos on this board find offense in this, with partisan preference determining what part of the coverage supplies the offense.

But make no mistake - HW took a beating in 1992. An incumbent who can't carry 40% of the popular vote is a problem. And attitudes toward him (he's aloof and uninterested) and perceptions of his policies (he owned the struggling post Cold War economy and the tax controversy) were IMO the biggest reason for Perot's success. Your thesis assumes that without Perot, those votes would go to Bush. I see no reason to think that - I think they'd have stayed home. Bush was not a talented campaigner up against a uniquely talented campaigner, and he was saddled with extreme Reagan/Bush fatigue after 12 years.

Doesn't anybody really get the themes of the remembrances? The grace with which HW handled these defeats is perhaps the single greatest non-policy element of his legacy. As Meacham said - the last great soldier-statesman, who's first known brush with defeat was a near death experience in WW II, after which survivor guilt of a sort drove him for the rest of his life.

Stories like this abound - a guy talks about the crushing 1992 defeat, but HW was at his desk at 7 am the next morning trying to arrange jobs for his staffers. Clinton talking about the graceful letter that waited for him from his predecessor when he first walked into the Oval Office. Slick Willy and the man he beat - they became the closest of friends.

To me, all this agonizing, one way or the other, over the reporting of HW's life of ups and downs, just shows that all the crazy partisans are much more interested in their endless search for "gotcha moments" with the evil media than in really appreciating what all the reporting and tributes mean. Just another little indication of the sad state of our politics. And how the true lessons of this extraordinary life are being missed by the people who could benefit from them most.

[Post edited by hoolstoptheheels at 12/06/2018 10:23AM]

(In response to this post by BocaHoo91)

Posted: 12/06/2018 at 10:16AM



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An interesting footnote on the GHWB coverage -- Fuzzy Dunlop 12/05/2018 3:42PM
  Where is Perot buried? -- ConnHoo 12/06/2018 07:47AM
  Can I still pee on him? ** -- ConnHoo 12/06/2018 08:10AM
  What is it with Trumpies and pee? ** -- Shenhoo 12/06/2018 09:27AM
  Probably the pheromones ** -- Hoo TV 12/06/2018 2:23PM
  If you can get past his security folks. ** -- HowieT3 12/06/2018 09:10AM
  As mentioned elsewhere in this thread -- Faz d. Hoo 12/06/2018 10:09AM
  Taxes, raise them or die! ** -- ConnHoo 12/06/2018 07:47AM
  Nah man, James K Polk is the GOAT 🐐 ** -- EspressHoo 12/05/2018 9:14PM
  I’m not sure I get your point. His dramatic -- BocaHoo91 12/05/2018 8:00PM
  I totally agree that Fuzzy is inventing a partisan grievance. -- hoolstoptheheels 12/06/2018 10:16AM
  I don’t know how you discount the 19% -- BocaHoo91 12/06/2018 10:29AM
  What might or might not have been true in 2004 has nothing to do -- hoolstoptheheels 12/06/2018 10:58AM
  Question is, would that have happened with a stronger economy -- hoolstoptheheels 12/05/2018 9:16PM
  The original post -- BocaHoo91 12/06/2018 01:32AM
  Ah ok I glossed over that. Semantics argument. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 12/06/2018 11:55AM
  James Baker claims 2/3 were righties. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 12/05/2018 9:17PM
  Bush 43 graciously mentioned in the eulogy. -- DanTheFan 12/05/2018 7:17PM
  They hide this information in history books. ;) ** -- Seattle .Hoo 12/05/2018 6:24PM
  Boy, that has not been my experience in seeing quite a few -- hoolstoptheheels 12/05/2018 5:07PM
  I don't entirely agree. -- hoolstoptheheels 12/05/2018 9:25PM
  Though speaking of getting Trump -- WahooMatt05 12/05/2018 6:21PM
  Trendsetter ** -- 757 12/05/2018 8:08PM
  Ah, here it is -- WahooMatt05 12/05/2018 6:30PM
  What a weird take ** -- wahoo138 12/05/2018 4:50PM
  I've seen lots of negative stuff about GHWB lately -- WahooMatt05 12/05/2018 4:46PM
  I doubt Carter's loss will be very high up there ** -- Hooddihsm 12/05/2018 3:48PM

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