The Soapbox

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What's this?

Honestly, don't know yet...

Haven't looked into all the details. Here's my take at this point:

1) Fraud has not been proven, and the audit did not show that Trump won the election. And, as I've said before, fraud cannot be proven in AZ or any of the other states in question due to how the elections were conducted. This is my main beef with 2020 -- we are now conducting elections which cannot be independently verified one way or the other. It's not partisan -- if a similar future election resulted in an R win, the Dems would be making exactly the same case, and I think you know that. (Certainly, Dem contests to 2000, 2004 and 2016 showed that.) Had Trump won 2020, Pelosi would be conducting hearings right now on how the Postmaster General rigged the mail-in voting, LOL.

2) My understanding is that the audit apparently found roughly 80,000 "suspicious" ballots, but I'm unclear about what that means. Were these ballots counted or not counted? To they extent they were "suspicious", can questions about them be answered and have they been answered in provable (i.e., not just asserted) form? This is where I'd want to dig deeper. I'm perfectly willing to believe that there were 80,000 fraudulent/illegal votes cast, but I'm also willing to believe that these 80,000 "questionable" votes were both legal and have legitimate explanations, or even that they aren't "questionable" at all once one digs more deeply into it.

3) Overall, the audit was a good thing, as it found that some things worked well and some didn't. While determining who actually won the state is important, this audit was never going to be able to do that. What it can help determine, however, is how secure elections are generally speaking and fix any holes found. I think that can lead to greater confidence in them in the future, which is what's most important. Whether Trump actually won or not is irrelevant at this point -- Biden is president, and that's not changing (until the Dems yank him to install Kamala). What is relevant is that Americans on all sides can verify that their elections are valid, and audits are a necessary part of that, IMO.

[Post edited by Los Angeles Hoo at 10/06/2021 5:53PM]

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