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Oh dear lord it is so the opposite of "harsh reality". Its orange reality.

I do enjoy how you are calling a total population of as low as 11.4 million to about 12 mil or so "15 to 20 million". Right on the heels of your deep concern for my lack of precision in estimating the last year or so of O's 2nd term. Suddenly, precision isn't such a big deal.

For crying out loud Tom - "trickle" is about flow. If the total number between the Bush admin and the end of the O admin hasn't changed (according to three sources, one of which is Homeland Security), then "trickle" might be aggressive. 0 net flow might be more accurate. So why do I have to tell you why someone would leave? Sick mother back home? Maybe the trickle in is roughly equal to the death rate. Doesn't matter - numbers are what they are. You were the one who insisted on "proof" of things, so I gave you support. Now that this no longer fits your view of "harsh reality", which is just what some orange guy told you to be afraid of, you no longer need no stinkin' proof - like of this horrible downward pressure on wages. We'll just go ahead and assume that.

It's why I do love you on this board. There is no better representation of the Trumpie hoard than you. First you need proof, then you make inferences, then you confuse what "trickle" means, then you almost comically exaggerate the estimates of total illegals in the country, then you see support for no change in total illegal population, and demand to know "why are they leaving?" - my head is spinning.

You are just a fish flopping around out of water. Perfect Trumpist. "Harsh reality" is whatever Trump tells you it is. And he is almost never right.

(In response to this post by TomKazanski)

Posted: 09/14/2018 at 10:32AM

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Oh dear lord it is so the opposite of "harsh reality". Its orange reality. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/14/2018 10:32AM

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Well, I have a strong fundamental disagreement with you. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/13/2018 3:55PM

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Curious how one estimates the ones -- TomKazanski 09/13/2018 3:53PM

The link in my previous post explains that. -- 00 Hoo 09/13/2018 4:00PM

Got to let be the estimates of people you don’t know about exists -- TomKazanski 09/13/2018 4:18PM

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