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hoolstoptheheels

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I don't blame you for not actually linking them. They don't say what you


wish they said:
"Then there is a deeper problem, namely that Ocasio-Cortez’s agenda is riven with contradictions. The most obvious is that in calling for the abolition of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, an agency that has become a bogeyman on the left for its role in implementing the Trump administration’s polarizing deportation strategy, she is sending a clear signal that she favors more permissive immigration policies." -

That from the Atlantic - we all know she stands for "more permissive immigration". And abolishing ICE. But nothing suggest favoring "open borders".

The Federalist is just a hit piece. And even it doesn't claim "Open Borders". The entire relevant passage:

"1 Are Democrats The Party Of Open Borders?

Over the past couple of decades it has been easy to tell whether the Democrats are in or out of power based on their rhetoric regarding illegal immigration. Under Obama this was a question full of hard choices. Massive deportations, including those that separated families, took place at an alarming rate and were accepted as a necessary means to secure our border. Even abuses of migrant children were ignored under Obama, who was given the benefit of the doubt that he was acting in good faith.

But something happens when Republicans take power. Somehow securing the border suddenly becomes something akin to fascism. It becomes racist and inhumane, and Democrats run on promises regarding immigration that they never seem to keep. Ocasio-Cortez is running on a promise to abolish the U.S. Department of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.

Let’s be clear about what this means. It means complete amnesty, as it means eliminating the main authority set up to keep trespassing foreign citizens out of the country. Under her plan, the border would become a loosely protected turnstile with little to no enforcement. Are Democrats prepared to make this part of their platform?"

Interesting, because as a general statement, it debunks the whole fear tactic - dems in power certainly didn't favor "Open Borders". And abolition of ICE does not equal amnesty - that's nonsense. We've only had ICE since 2002, and we've had borders a lot longer than that. It shows nothing about Ocasio-Cortez's stances, it just criticizes what it claims are her stances, and doesn't even claim "Open Borders" as one of them. Turnstiles suggests a border, and we all know she wants more liberal policies.

And thanks for the update on Ellison's wardrobe at a campaign rally. I mean, I'm not going to get into a protracted defense of the dem new generation of lefties, but a t-shirt does not a platform make.

Anyway, thanks for the links, but I'm pretty sure they refute your entire case, and certainly they refute the notion that dems in power would "open the borders", which is the fear tactic at play here.



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Posted: 11/05/2018 at 1:33PM



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A republican scare tactic -- hoothat 11/05/2018 11:59AM
  Well, yes, you seem to be ** -- 111Balz 11/05/2018 1:11PM
  Cortez... ** -- hoothat 11/05/2018 12:56PM
  Show me. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/05/2018 12:59PM
  K -- hoothat 11/05/2018 1:08PM
  Ummm...I did link them -- hoothat 11/05/2018 1:36PM
  Just another Faux News myth. ** -- Hoodafan 11/05/2018 12:32PM
  Funny as hell. ** -- Chuck Taylor 11/05/2018 12:57PM
  "NO one is calling for open borders. " ** -- hoothat 11/05/2018 12:29PM
  That group's last event was in August 2017. ** -- WahooMatt05 11/05/2018 12:22PM
  Abolish ICE. Resist. -- hoothat 11/05/2018 12:24PM
  Borders are dangerous. Borders destroy lives. -- hoothat 11/05/2018 12:20PM

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