now, Warren will do no better with non-whites - maybe not even as well - than Hillary did. She has gotten no traction with them so far. That means turnout in the crucial urban areas of Ohio, PA, MI, and WI will look more like 2016 than '12 and '08. And forget the union vote if the message is "we're taking away the best thing your union won for you over the years - health care."

Trump won the election by a razor slim margin of a total 77,000 votes in PA, MI, and WI.

The woke white vote of Chicago, LA, SF, Boston, and NY will be in a state of euphoria, sure. They'll turn out like nobody's business. Who knows, might be enough to even tip the popular vote to Liz. But it won't bring her anymore electors. You want to boost the non-white vote? Joe has a much better chance of doing that, as black voters in particular like him the best of any in the field. And he's got far better street cred with the rust belt blue collar vote.

Given where Liz is now, and where her support lies, I think she has little chance against Trump. All I can say, is things could be different a year from now.
[Post edited by hoolstoptheheels at 10/16/2019 09:33AM]