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Here are the laws in Minnesota for second and third degree murder,

he's charged with both plus second-degree manslaughter. The third-degree "depraved heart" murder should stick, depraved indifference to human life resulting in death where the defendant knows their act (kneeling on the neck of someone struggling to breathe) carries a high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm.

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Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

- Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
- Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
- Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
- Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

- A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
- Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

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Posted: 08/27/2020 at 11:03AM

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Here are the laws in Minnesota for second and third degree murder, -- hoodeyo 08/27/2020 11:03AM

I still think that 3rd will be tough. ** -- Hokieesith 08/27/2020 11:08AM

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