More to do with... is a long way from having no influence. If trump had

stood up at his press conferences and told people to stay home and if they must go out to wear a mask and maintain distance rather than telling them it was a hoax, cases would soon be zero, and encourage them to protest at state houses things would be significantly different. Sorry, but it's moronic to think otherwise. What's significant? Let's say 10%. 60,000 deaths because a narcissistic asshole didn't want people to panic? I feel comfortable saying there are 60,000 dead people because of trump. (There were others because of governors and mayors... the order to close NYC theaters was announced during the week but didn't take affect until after the weekend, at the time I thought that was a big mistake but we're talking about our national response)

Think Herman Cain would be alive today if not for Trump?

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