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hoolstoptheheels

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Well, I will do you one better. Everything is wrong with this response.


Or maybe right with it if ultimately, taking the law into one’s own hands is the goal. Which is my suspicion.

1) The fact that candidates conceded makes ALL the difference. The dem party in neither 2000 or 2016, or in 2004, another lame example used to justify this year’s coup attempt, tried to prevent lawful certification of the election. And I say that realizing that there were symbolic gestures made in the symbolic 1/6 certifications, but not by 100s of reps and senators, and not calling for the VP to do extra-Constitutional things to throw out the election, and not by anyone calling around to state and local officials to try to get them to disavow election results. Opposing parties do tend to try to thwart the party in the WH - when McConnell refused to to bring Garland’s nomination to the floor for a full 25% of Obama’s last term, he was derelict in the performance of his duties, but he was not disputing Obama’s lawful election in 2012.

2) Of course people frequently don’t agree with the courts, and think courts get decisions wrong. Your OJ analogy is a case in point. He was found not guilty to the dismay of most Americans. Yet vigilante bands did not take the law into their own hands and lynch him or imprison him. They may not have been happy about it, but the country accepted the decision of the court. Because that’s how the country can survive and not collapse into lawlessness, given that a nation of 330 million will never entirely agree about anything, so some will find fault in just about any decision, that is the key that you miss or conveniently ignore. It’s not about accepting the flawlessness of the judiciary. It’s about accepting the jurisdiction of the judiciary. Just like parties to arbitration must accept the ruling of the arbiter, regardless of how they feel about it. The judiciary is the arbiter of disputes in this country.

3) The entire reason for all the doubt about our ability to hold free and fair elections in this country, after 2 centuries of setting the global gold standard for that, is the science fiction level lies being told over and over again. The lies run the gamut from baseless accusations of interference by Venezuela, baseless accusations of fraud but Dominion voting, and an endless list of other baseless accusations. Trump and his forces jumped on any fantasy that Giuliani, Powell and Co could dream up - they put them out into the information ecosystem as fast as they could be fabricated. Doubts about election integrity in 2020 were made up out of thin air. It has been a coordinated propaganda effort too undermine the country.

And it all comes back to the role of the courts in our society, in solving disputes and disagreements. Trump had his day in court. A whole mess of them. They rendered their verdicts, over and over again.

The coup attempt is not an assault on election integrity - it is an assault on the institutions that serve as the foundation for our representative republic. Election integrity is only one.

(In response to this post by Los Angeles Hoo)

Posted: 10/11/2021 at 3:58PM



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