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The article is disingenuous

The headline asks the question 'What would happen to Tesla without subsidies?' It then implies that sales would stop, and the company would be ruined. But, Tesla's public comments are the opposite. They claim that the subsidies help their competition, and Tesla would be better off without them.

My problem is with the article. It is attacking Tesla, when its ire should be directed elsewhere. It uses a lot of faulty logic, when it could have a valid point about subsidies. I understand people have different political points of view, and I'll listen to valid arguments. But it would be nice if arguments were grounded in reality, as opposed to taking a stance that is 100% the opposite of what the CEO is stating publicly.

(In response to this post by Hoodafan)

Posted: 07/17/2017 at 2:01PM

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