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I don't think you're right about that. Medicare for All Warren and Bern

style would be the only game in town. That's what they're talking about anyway. And as a practical matter, if everyone is automatically enrolled in Medicare and watching their taxes go up to pay for it, then there will never be enough people (or companies) opting to pay for private insurance over and above that to make it viable. Any way you slice it, Medicare for All will be the only game in town, and when all the other candidates hammered them for the fact that they'd be taking the choice of a private option away, neither one defended against that point.

And the burden on the treasury will be what it will be - all you're saying is it can be met with tax increases. Sure, but they'd have to be hefty, with a promise that it'd be offset by savings elsewhere at some point. Or it would have to increase the deficit. However they finance it, it will be a hefty.

IMO, it is a near guaranteed loser in 2020.

(In response to this post by HoosWillWin)

Posted: 09/16/2019 at 3:10PM

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