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There was a control group.

But after the multiple phases of the trial were concluded and the FDA approved the vaccines, the participants were allowed to find out if they received the actual vaccine or a placebo - and if they had gotten the placebo they could of course then get the real vaccine.

(In response to this post by psychobilly)

Posted: 01/04/2022 at 8:59PM

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I'm confused. So there was no real control group? -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 8:57PM

There was a control group. -- 00 Hoo 01/04/2022 8:59PM

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Doesn't seem like its stopping the spread of Omnicron at all. -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 7:14PM

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Your 2nd point is the only thing i stated. ** -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 8:47PM

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Roger. I thought Canada's sounded pretty low. ** -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 9:24PM

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Hence, a lot of people let their guard down. ** -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 7:51PM

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No I didn’t but you just added another stupid post ** -- 111Balz 01/04/2022 8:05PM

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Is English your second language? -- jpmHoo 01/04/2022 7:53PM

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You’re a liar ** -- 111Balz 01/04/2022 7:35PM

Ok Jackie -- jpmHoo 01/04/2022 7:54PM

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Of course not. Lockdowns are moronic and a delay tactic. -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 7:26PM

So you blaming the vaccine - why people letting their guard down? ** -- DTsBicep 01/04/2022 7:36PM

He’s a troll ** -- 111Balz 01/04/2022 7:46PM

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Are you drunk already? ** -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 8:04PM

I’m done playing troll games with you. I don’t know what you’re like -- 111Balz 01/04/2022 8:08PM

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What is your goal here? ** -- DTsBicep 01/05/2022 07:40AM

My goal was accomplished in my first post. -- psychobilly 01/05/2022 10:12AM

I guess you could say that. The vaccine not being very effective at -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 7:44PM

MOAR deaths ** -- WaxHoo 01/04/2022 7:34PM

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