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What's this?

"with" covid not "for" covid. LOL. Assuming this stupid talking point was

even correct, why would unvaccinated people have such a higher rate of hospitalization "with" covid compared to the vaccinated.

And the Washington state data in the attached link does include omicron. Once December data is released and shows a similar spread for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people, will you admit you're wrong or just drag those goalposts to another position.

(In response to this post by jpmHoo)

Posted: 01/04/2022 at 9:27PM

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There was a control group. -- 00 Hoo 01/04/2022 8:59PM

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He lies. It’s what he does here ** -- 111Balz 01/04/2022 8:45PM

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Doesn't seem like its stopping the spread of Omnicron at all. -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 7:14PM

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Your 2nd point is the only thing i stated. ** -- psychobilly 01/04/2022 8:47PM

I agree. I just added to it. A 17x higher hospitalization -- BocaHoo91 01/04/2022 8:52PM

Or 3.7x and falling rapidly in a place that doesn’t guesstimate -- jpmHoo 01/04/2022 8:57PM

What issue do you have with this data? -- BocaHoo91 01/04/2022 9:07PM

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My goal was accomplished in my first post. -- psychobilly 01/05/2022 10:12AM

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