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Hoepner

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This is a point that should not slip from the front page.


From the responses given to the threads, it seems like there are four* reactions to procedure being used:

(1) It does not matter because nothing will pass and the Republicans know this. My issue: What if something does pass? Does this procedure matter at that point?

(2) Democrats did it too! And they are worse! Even accepting that the Democrats did the same thing with the ACA (which is a bad assumption), how do two wrongs make a right? Why don't you try to justify the approach rather than just use an argument familiar to 5 year olds?

(3) This is a violation of the legislative process that the rule of law and democracy depends upon. This is my view.

(4) You need to make the sausage in secret. There is definitely some truth to this and I can sympathize with this view but I think it is wrong. In foreign affairs for sure this is true. I also agree with WahooMatt05 that this is more justifiable when the secret negotiations result in a bill that starts the process, but that it is not appropriate for a final bill.


*Hoothat: Feel free to add to the list. I am not claiming to be exhaustive like strawman you have created in your head.

(In response to this post by Hoo05Dave)

Posted: 06/22/2017 at 07:56AM



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Current Thread:
  Huh? I did not create strawman, that's in your head -- hoothat 06/22/2017 10:12AM
  No numbered list? Letting me down. ** -- hoothat 06/21/2017 11:53PM
  Not for you to decide Mr Govco -- Capital City Hoo 06/22/2017 08:01AM
  Who is preventing anyone from basic healthcare? ** -- TomKazanski 06/22/2017 07:53AM
  He doesn't have a moral compass. Don't bother. ** -- WahooRQ 06/22/2017 08:23AM
  LOL- you're asking a lot there... -- Capital City Hoo 06/22/2017 08:08AM
  Yes ** -- FfxStationHokie 06/22/2017 07:41AM
  The 162 repeal would work for him because -- Shenhoo 06/22/2017 07:31AM
  Why do people always compare us to Western Europe -- hoothat 06/21/2017 11:37PM
  Please elaborate... -- Capital City Hoo 06/22/2017 08:57AM
  I don't think any are comparable -- hoothat 06/22/2017 10:36AM
  It's not just Western Europe, it's much of the world. -- HoozOnTop 06/22/2017 12:57AM
  I am just saying we aren't comparable -- hoothat 06/22/2017 10:06AM
  That's not close to what I was saying. -- hoothat 06/22/2017 5:42PM
  Yup. ** -- psychobilly 06/21/2017 7:46PM
  Said the voices inside your head. -- WahooRQ 06/21/2017 7:33PM
  Shit shoveler huh? That suits you ** -- HooJet 06/21/2017 7:16PM
  They don't want it to succeed -- Faz d. Hoo 06/21/2017 4:53PM
  That's not good analysis -- Hood 06/21/2017 6:10PM
  obama? ** -- FfxStationHokie 06/21/2017 5:29PM
  That's what politicians do. ** -- Faz d. Hoo 06/21/2017 11:36PM
  Dems have the ads ready regardless of what happens -- TomKazanski 06/21/2017 5:57PM

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