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hoolstoptheheels

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I don't know of evidence that the Russians successfully hacked voting


Machines. I think there is a suspicion that they attempted to hack voting machines on Election Day, but I'm not aware of any proof. I don't think there is even suspicion that the vote count in the last pres election was fraudulent. Trump won the election.

There is apparently a lot of evidence that the Russians used social media to impact the campaign itself. There is evidence that Russian groups were responsible for hacking the DNC and providing the infamous results to wikileaks. Of impersonating news organizations in creating and promoting false news, like the pizzaria child slavety ring directed by the Clintons, to try to promote Trump. And that they promoted similar efforts to promote Brexit, and populist candidates throughout Europe over the last several years.

The real concern is how Russia or others with motive to undermine elections in liberal democracies are doing that and exacerbating partisan divisions by exploiting the reliance on social media as primary news sources when social media is in its infancy.

The problem is that it has become completely politicized as a way to impeach Trump. If you ask me, both Trumpies and anti Trumpies are complicit in that, when the real concern should completely transcend Trump's presidency. Anti Trumpies should stop relying on Mueller to save them from Trump. They should commit themselves to defeating Trump at the ballot box.

And Trumpies should stop just trying to defend Trump at the expense of a thorough investigation. There are much bigger issues to be considered. Democracy becomes a joke if hackers can make gullible Twitter or Instagram users believe anything on their feed, and in this rapidly evolving interconnected world, everyone should be saying "woe, wait a second."

From what I hear, there is a lot of detail in these indictments today. Wire fraud, other allegations that point to a concerted, planned out attempt to discredit journalism, the legal system, all the bear bones checks and balances that the founders of our republic thought we could rely on. IMO, taking this lightly is simply taking for granted the struggle that led to the USA at a time when persecution was the norm, and the 13 colonies were the escape.

It shouldn't be about Trump, for those who love him, hate him, or don't care about him.



(In response to this post by Tafkam Hokie)

Posted: 02/16/2018 at 8:05PM



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Current Thread:
  "If the Russians are listening....." said it all. ** -- aint2Hokie4me 02/17/2018 4:35PM
  Nah, the Mueller report said it all. ** -- hoothat 05/03/2019 11:53AM
  It started before Trump even announced -- ConnHoo 02/17/2018 09:53AM
  Is this another joke? ** -- 111Balz 02/16/2018 9:38PM
  Nope. This one is actually a sincere question -- Tafkam Hokie 02/16/2018 9:45PM
  Certainly no itent of casting doubt -- Tafkam Hokie 02/16/2018 11:21PM
  No, he's right. Your hive views -- hoothat 02/16/2018 11:10PM
  You have squawked about BS for over a year. -- hoothat 02/17/2018 2:34PM
  I don't try to act like anything. -- hoothat 02/17/2018 4:35PM
  Of course not. Could you offer an example? -- 111Balz 02/17/2018 4:45PM
  An example of what? ** -- hoothat 02/17/2018 4:47PM
  An example of the BS I have regurtitated -- 111Balz 02/17/2018 9:22PM
  Without even looking -- hoothat 02/17/2018 9:27PM
  When I am wrong I admit it. -- hoothat 02/17/2018 9:46PM
  It's pretty sad how much people rely on social -- Lupos 02/16/2018 8:51PM
  He can come out now and see the sunlight ** -- Mg234 02/17/2018 02:00AM
  Idk, some of those russkies can get pretty big ** -- TpkeHoo 02/16/2018 8:30PM
  Why is this so threatening to you? ** -- 111Balz 02/16/2018 9:58PM
  My question was not intended to threaten you ** -- 111Balz 02/17/2018 4:38PM
  You have no link. ** -- Hokieesith 02/16/2018 7:54PM
  You have no friends ** -- hooshouse 02/16/2018 7:58PM
  Noooooooooooo!!!!! Please don't wish death on me. ** -- Hokieesith 02/16/2018 8:04PM
  Ok ** -- hoolstoptheheels 02/16/2018 8:18PM
  Damn. You are one lonely sad son of a bitch. -- hooshouse 05/03/2019 12:01PM
  Did earlier today. She's a happy woman. -- hoothat 05/03/2019 12:16PM
  Hillary killed Seth Rich. ** -- Shenhoo 02/16/2018 11:30PM
  You are missing a lot. -- psychobilly 02/16/2018 7:07PM

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