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hoolstoptheheels

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Thinking about impeachment, and developing a view. From an anti-Trump, but


also anti-impeachment bias. I read a quote from new congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, in essence saying the dems big House 2018 win is a mandate, even a demand, from the country to impeach. Other dems claiming they view it as their duty to impeach. I think neither of those things is true. Tlaib seems to be drawing conclusions about the nation from her sense of her own district. If anything, I think the lesson is that even in certain red districts, dems can win with the right strategy in the age of Trump. The right strategy in '18 was a district by district call, but it was always about de-emphasizing impeachment, and emphasizing issues, policy, health care, etc. Or just presenting a nice alternative to what many of us see as the extreme ugliness of Trump. And in terms of this being a "Constitutional duty", I see the Constitution as being very deliberately vague on the notion, while setting the bar very high to overturn an election, making it essentially a political call. Lots of judgement, and just like in the late '90s, when the entire thing falls straight down party lines, the political call IMO should be.. do not impeach. Litigate it with the people in the election.

I'm increasingly concerned that point of view will not win out. In fact if I were a Trumpie, I'd be hoping for an extended period of agonizing within the dem party, hopefully with a vote to impeach once the primaries are underway. Force candidates to take positions. Motivate the party extremes so that they dominate the primaries even more than usual. I think that would create enormous headwinds for whatever candidate this extreme-tinged primary process selects to face Trump. I think that is the worst possible scenario for those who want Trump defeated.

So what to do? Impeachment would be purely symbolic. There is a better chance that the sun will explode 5 seconds after you read this than that the senate will toss him out. Other than thrilling the already converted, I see no point politically. But I also don't know if it can be stopped. Trump will stonewall, he will ensure this drags out by refusing to observe subpoenas to prevent the "full airing" Congress wants to support an impeachment. Playing into Trumpian hands, at least if I'm right about the worst case for dems.

So I think I have a weird conclusion. I relent. When Trump refuses to let McGahn testify, and fights each and every subpoena, get it over with. Impeach now. Let the senate instantly vote it down, if it even takes it up in the first place. We might even see more than expected congressional dems vote against it, but whatever, get it done and over with and out of the news cycle before it can dominate the primaries. Repubs would try to keep it front and center, but we don't have long attention spans.

That's the calculation I make - best option IMO is no impeachment. Second best is get it the hell over with.

Posted: 04/25/2019 at 09:28AM



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Current Thread:
  If Rashida Tlaib is leading the Ds, they're screwed -- Capital City Hoo 04/25/2019 12:21PM
  Unless you are Candace Owens ** -- Tuckahokie 04/25/2019 3:16PM
  Poor Candace. What a dimwit. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 04/25/2019 3:21PM
  John Edwards was charged with a felony for what Trump did -- WahooMatt05 04/25/2019 12:19PM
  Trump can dole out pardons -- DanTheFan 04/25/2019 10:53AM
  Just waiting for him to pardon himself ** -- Hoo TV 04/25/2019 10:55AM
  By Twitter ** -- 757 04/25/2019 11:11AM
  Or name his favorite horse Chairman of the Fed. ** -- WahooRQ 04/25/2019 11:05AM
  Impeachment for what? ** -- ryno hoo 04/25/2019 10:31AM
  High crimes and misdemeanors -- DanTheFan 04/25/2019 10:53AM
  Trumpistanis are okay with that ** -- Hoo TV 04/25/2019 10:57AM
  ...being Trump mainly ** -- Tuckahokie 04/25/2019 10:49AM
  That's not true, if we are being honest. -- hoolstoptheheels 04/25/2019 11:02AM
  But in a way I agree with Tuck. is anyone really -- 111Balz 04/25/2019 11:36AM
  Ok, I see your point. Sorry Tuck, I retract! -- hoolstoptheheels 04/25/2019 11:43AM
  Or the first time! ** -- 111Balz 04/25/2019 11:48AM
  Don't go asking the tough questions. ** -- Hoodafan 04/25/2019 10:47AM
  Taking your stapler ** -- 111Balz 04/25/2019 10:42AM
  You should burn down the building ** -- 111Balz 04/25/2019 11:49AM
  The 2020 candidates shouldn't be talking impeachment -- WahooMatt05 04/25/2019 10:23AM
  I don't believe it changes the subpoena process at all. -- hoolstoptheheels 04/25/2019 11:24AM
  Cant do both? ** -- Hooddihsm 04/25/2019 10:11AM
  How did it work in '18? ** -- HowieT3 04/25/2019 10:06AM
  Back when Trump was Russian? ** -- hoothat 04/25/2019 10:09AM

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