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Posted: 07/08/2019 at 10:29AM

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Venezuelan special forces have killed >5000. Bust just because this shit -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 09:59AM

The word you are looking for is authoritarianism because.................. -- Chuck Taylor 07/08/2019 11:31AM

That democratic foundation disappears when everyone relies on govt -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 12:24PM

Wow! Sun Rand is alive, well & posting as HooDan. Hoo knew? ** -- WaxHoo 07/08/2019 12:49PM

It does? Maybe you can come with an example that meets your scenario,...... -- Chuck Taylor 07/08/2019 12:30PM

Venezuela works as an example of that. -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 12:48PM

No. Obviously wealth alone was not sufficient to avoid a slide into........ -- Chuck Taylor 07/08/2019 3:29PM

I basically agree, yet, a similar phenomenon allowed Trump to come to power -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 4:01PM

Yes on Venezuela ** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:02PM

Not really, except in the sense that the government owns the company that -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:55PM

On a weighted basis, I don't think anything matters to Venezuela other -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:17PM

I don't think it is that simple. Perhaps go back and look at Chavez's rise -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 1:23PM

It's definitely not that simple. Life was not hunky dory for everyone in -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:37PM

There are tons of similarities. Why I referenced "How Democracies Die." ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 1:40PM

Yes poor management, something endemic to socialism, the govt doesn't know -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:07PM

AIG says hello. They went out of business, current appearances to the -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:22PM

Agreed on big bureaucracies & gubmint is the ultimate big bureaucracy** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:25PM

Too simple Dan. The answer isn't "all govt" or "no govt". -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:39PM

Didn't mean to make it sound like all or nothing. Just that this country -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:53PM

Yeah, we all know how well big corporations are run. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 1:15PM

Yes we do and i have far more choices when dealing w/ corporate businesses ** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:21PM

In 2008, we didn't have too many choices. -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:29PM

So let's let them run government services, right? Like maybe prisons? Or -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 1:27PM

Got news for you, corporations make all the the stuff you use every day ** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 1:41PM

Or small businesses. As they should. Nobody wants government owning the -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 1:48PM

I have no love for subsidies and bail outs. The DC establishment -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 2:12PM

I supported the bail outs. The opposite would've been catastrophic. They -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 2:30PM

Again I do think it’s authoritarianism that’s the problem ** -- 111Balz 07/08/2019 12:55PM

It always is. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 1:07PM

"because of"? no, socialism is a tool of control ** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 12:34PM

Give some examples of what you mean by that. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:35PM

I agree. I will never embrace socialism as a governing system. -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 12:12PM

Well documented in the book "How Democracies Die." ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 11:33AM

Maybe those 5000 were counter-revolutionaries and enemies of the State -- Wahoo Ron 07/08/2019 11:30AM

Yes, democratic socialism, but also including the disarming of society -- ryno hoo 07/08/2019 10:49AM

I'm betting you've never heard the term "peace zone" as it pertains to -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 1:31PM

You can elect a socialist govt any time you like. But you'll have to -- TpkeHoo 07/08/2019 11:49AM

So...will we need to shoot the farmers after the last two -- Shenhoo 07/08/2019 12:00PM

Yeah Shen. We are a socialist nation. Now back to the woodshed. ** -- TpkeHoo 07/08/2019 12:02PM

Is the wealth distribution capitalistic? ** -- Shenhoo 07/08/2019 12:24PM

It's a shame that beautiful countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 12:09PM

What does “socialism “ have to do with brutal dictatorship? ** -- WaxHoo 07/08/2019 10:27AM

Both terms can be equated to the same, scaring the stupid. ** -- HoosWillWin 07/08/2019 11:23AM

Its like pornography...you know it when you see it ** -- Tuckahokie 07/08/2019 10:47AM

And most people under 50 think of Danes with healthcare and parental leave, -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 11:06AM

Denmark is NOT a socialist country. They are a capitalist country with high -- CharlestonSC 07/08/2019 12:19PM

BTW online service providers got started with a little government program -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:31PM

That's a fair point, but I also think if you offered a hypothetical union -- CharlestonSC 07/08/2019 12:36PM

It would also be a stupid offer. The internet is very analogous to the -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:40PM

I used to worry about wealthy people every day. So glad they got relief! ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:22PM

Nobody is suggesting wealthy people have it bad ... I'm suggesting Bernie -- CharlestonSC 07/08/2019 12:25PM

Yeah that's why I only listen to Republicans. No inflammatory rhetoric. All -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:29PM

Only serious policy proposals with real chances of becoming law get tossed -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 12:45PM

The "free college" trope is nonsense. Also the Bern won't be the nominee. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 12:47PM

Once all of the over 50 people die off the Brave Green New World can -- Tuckahokie 07/08/2019 11:09AM

No, you guys will stay out of touch but just become less and less a part -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 11:12AM

You have a point...in another 10 years I will transition from net giver to -- Tuckahokie 07/08/2019 11:16AM

There are no fiscal conservatives today -- VaTechie 07/08/2019 11:47AM

You mean you don't support means testing welfare for wealthy seniors? How -- WahooRQ 07/08/2019 11:20AM

Complete control ** -- HokieDan95 07/08/2019 10:29AM

Total control & socialism are not necessarily synonymous ** -- WaxHoo 07/08/2019 10:31AM

Perhaps, but it is still tone-deaf to embrace the label ** -- Faz d. Hoo 07/08/2019 10:58AM

It's batshit crazy. When you think of those who do that, you have to -- hoolstoptheheels 07/08/2019 12:00PM

Less and less every year though, as the demographic changes and ironically -- southdenverhoo 07/08/2019 11:55AM

Agree, & that’s not 95’s point ** -- WaxHoo 07/08/2019 11:07AM

He doesn’t know what it means ** -- 111Balz 07/08/2019 10:38AM

They are for some, like Trumpies, especially for 2020 ** -- Hoo TV 07/08/2019 10:37AM

Violence and political unrest in South America? That's never happened -- Seattle .Hoo 07/08/2019 10:16AM

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