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WahooRQ

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If you think someon can only get a handout if he's poor, then we do indeed.


the important factor here is a change in one's statutory liability. I don't care if you dislike calling a reduction in that amount a "handout" or prefer to call it a "gift" or a "windfall" or a "net gain" or whatever. But the change in status quo from owing more to owing less is absolutely a thing of value given at no cost at all to the taxpayer that receives it.

It's functionally not much different from a bank or landlord cutting your loan payment or rent amount because they decided they want you to "keep" more of "your money." Or the government waiving a penalty or a fine or an amount you are required to pay into a trust fund under a settlement or order for the same reason. You can argue all day about how it's really not them giving you anything but taking less, but you're forgetting that your tax liability is not something you choose to pay but a statutory requirement that comes out of your takehome pay. It's essentially rent for being an American, calculated based on how much money you earn. And a reduction in that amount given to you by the party that is entitled to that money absent the change absolutely is a thing of value given to you.

I honestly can't believe this is even being disputed by anyone other than the hoakie who argues that the sky is not blue.


(In response to this post by BocaHoo91)

Posted: 11/29/2017 at 2:17PM



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  No surprise, but I get slammed under either plan. -- hoolstoptheheels 11/29/2017 12:35PM
  That's interesting. I compared the base current law -- psychobilly 11/29/2017 12:25PM
  I would save a decent amount under each plan -- BocaHoo91 11/29/2017 12:14PM
  I was wondering the same thing. -- WahooMatt05 11/29/2017 1:06PM
  Right, it's a gimmick -- WahooMatt05 11/29/2017 1:18PM
  Same with the bush tax cuts. Changes had to be made. -- BocaHoo91 11/29/2017 1:45PM
  Both good points ** -- 111Balz 11/29/2017 5:44PM
  Hey, it's your logic, not mine. ** -- Hokie5150 11/29/2017 2:08PM
  What is a tax increase? A 'hand in'? ** -- Stimp 11/29/2017 2:26PM
  Apparently. ** -- Hokie5150 11/29/2017 1:54PM
  Prediction -- 111Balz 11/29/2017 1:43PM
  You nailed it. -- WahooRQ 11/29/2017 4:32PM
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  How is that the most important question? -- Faz d. Hoo 11/29/2017 12:58PM
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  I see I misread your post. Sorry about that. -- fphoo 11/29/2017 1:55PM
  Great post ** -- 111Balz 11/29/2017 12:53PM
  Just paying your "fair share". ** -- Hokie5150 11/29/2017 11:47AM
  Hardly changes anything for me. ** -- Hokieesith 11/29/2017 11:14AM
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