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I skipped those because they didn’t support my argument:)

We’re also coming at this from two different perspectives as to what the role of the prison system is and what the costs/benefits of reform are.

On a basic level they are to enable a criminal to pay his debt to society. That’s understood. The basic costs of this function are easily quantifiable.

Changing the rehab structure would obviously increase those costs with benefits that are harder to quantify. Of course you can look at the general recidivism rates in determining savings but there are also the benefits to society of having less criminals, more fathers, and so on.

(In response to this post by Hoodafan)

Posted: 01/26/2021 at 3:07PM

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Biden orders no contract renewals with private prisons. ** -- NJHoo 01/26/2021 1:22PM

Yep, the people that run the prisons shouldn't make a profit. ** -- Charleston Cav 01/26/2021 3:12PM

Good for him! And us. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 01/26/2021 2:01PM

Not sure I see this as a good approach... -- Slider 01/26/2021 1:42PM

Look at it this way: Fewer prison beds = MOAR released (D) voters!!! ** -- ResistHoo 01/26/2021 2:24PM

Thanks for the suggestion but I don't think I'll look at it that way. ** -- Slider 01/26/2021 3:02PM

Deep state in full effect ** -- HoodatB 01/26/2021 2:54PM

What Seattle said. Your point is valid, but weighed against -- Shenhoo 01/26/2021 2:04PM

Nothing in the justice system should be run for-profit. The incentive in a -- Seattle .Hoo 01/26/2021 2:00PM

So you're no longer for Medicaid for All, but rather Govco healthcare? -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 2:29PM

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The "should not have a profit incentive" argument has been used for both -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 2:49PM

What an airy and uninteresting observation. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 01/26/2021 2:58PM

Then maybe don't play that simplistic and unsupported argument? ** -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 3:04PM

If you're going to make my arguments for me there's no need to continue -- Seattle .Hoo 01/26/2021 3:06PM

"Nothing in the justice system should be run for-profit." ** -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 3:10PM

I'm not sure you need to be that simplistic, but the net effect is the same -- CMUHoo 01/26/2021 4:24PM

Correct. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 01/26/2021 3:13PM

I agree that reducing the prison population is the right approach... -- Slider 01/26/2021 2:06PM

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I approve. Private prison incentives are not aligned -- HoosQ 01/26/2021 1:34PM

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Private outsourcing Musk = great & hero but prisons = bad, evil profit. ** -- ResistHoo 01/26/2021 2:28PM

Thank goodness we didn't have to have a profit incentive to get vaccines. ** -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 2:32PM

That's different. ** -- ResistHoo 01/26/2021 2:38PM

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Hopefully none at all, but who determines -- BocaHoo91 01/26/2021 3:36PM

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You forgot the link. But again I have to wonder how the prisons themselves -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 3:36PM

Sorry. Here's the link -- NJHoo 01/26/2021 4:22PM

BTW that's obviously all about state prisons, which a) aren't affected by -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 5:28PM

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This article says as much as 20% higher -- Hoojack 01/26/2021 2:46PM

It's funny, after posting that I did some very quick research on the topic -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 2:56PM

I skipped those because they didn’t support my argument:) -- Hoojack 01/26/2021 3:07PM

As I quickly ended my scanning of yours when it didn't fit mine. :-) -- Hoodafan 01/26/2021 3:15PM

Exactly ** -- HoosQ 01/26/2021 2:47PM

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