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Compromise is the difficult part. And neither party seems to want to help

themselves. So a logical landing spot like you suggest could be a difficult path.

Dems have apparently already lost Susan Collins on what they want to float in the Senate now, and Manchin was already opposed iirc.

(In response to this post by fishhoo)

Link: Collins expected to oppose Democrats' bill

Posted: 05/06/2022 at 4:52PM

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You think 10-15 weeks is "do it my way"? Weren't you guys telling us how -- Hoodafan 05/06/2022 5:06PM

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Compromise is in the middle of no abortion to full abortion -- Zhoo 05/06/2022 5:13PM

So you want war. Is that it? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 4:58PM

LOL! Wait, what? Why do you think Fish's reasonable compromise in the 10-15 -- Hoodafan 05/06/2022 5:05PM

Are you fucking kidding me? Why don't you read some of the laws that will -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 5:07PM

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I know what the CNN article I linked says. And that she opposes something -- Hoodafan 05/06/2022 5:39PM

Here's the actual text of the bill -- CMUHoo 05/06/2022 6:10PM

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I agree it's not a compromise. -- CMUHoo 05/06/2022 8:10PM

Then once again you didn't read or comprehend. -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 5:48PM

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I agree with this, too. No way they hand the Ds a win. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 5:14PM

Again.....have you read any of the laws that are being passed? ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 5:09PM

The topic at hand would be Fish's reasonable compromise. You were the one -- Hoodafan 05/06/2022 5:11PM

You do realize the 'war' would be attempted by soyboy beta weaklings? ** -- ryno hoo 05/06/2022 5:26PM

The war waged will be a legal battle. Probably. But I disagree with fish. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 5:12PM

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No doubt blue states would try to invade Red States -- ryno hoo 05/06/2022 5:04PM

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I know. I'm working on it. ** -- ryno hoo 05/06/2022 5:07PM

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No one wants your blue state input in red states. Go away. ** -- ryno hoo 05/06/2022 4:54PM

BullShit. You freeloaders want blue states’ $$ input. ** -- WaxHoo 05/06/2022 4:56PM

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Go elsewhere to find funding for your shithole states ** -- WaxHoo 05/06/2022 5:02PM

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He makes Confederates seem reasonable. ** -- WaxHoo 05/06/2022 4:59PM

Go fuck yourself, ryno. ** -- Seattle .Hoo 05/06/2022 4:55PM

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Non-likely. ** -- WaxHoo 05/06/2022 4:53PM

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