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Should Dems go the R route and just not try to find ways to pay for things?

It would be 'fair' to play that game, but it's BS. I'd rather be upfront. I have no problem with being the tax the rich party. It's better than being the screw the poor party. How are Paul Ryan's Medicaid cuts coming along? Taking out a revenue stream for Children's Hospitals doesn't seem like a good idea. I'd rather rich people fund things like kids getting sick and needing Medicaid, so maybe we should tax them a little more to adequately fund Medicaid.

If that makes me the evil, tax-the-rich boogeyman, I'll take it.

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Posted: 07/19/2018 at 1:51PM

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