Although it may have mattered in Wisconsin (not clear, see attached) that state alone would not have changed the outcome.

I agree Clinton is mostly to blame for her own loss. But the evidence is there: take the Bern voters who crossed over and voted for Trump (10%), add in the 2012 Obama voters who did not show up and vote for Clinton (but were Bern supporters in the primaries), and add the folks who voted for Stein (again, mostly people who favored Bernie in the Dem primaries) and you're well past the margins of victory in PA, MI, WI, and even FL. I don't see how you can even argue with a straight face that it didn't matter. It's not fair to blame him for Clinton losing (and you're right that there are always cross-over voters, including some of Clinton's 2008 supporters who went and voted for McCain), but how the Dem primary went down and how his supporters ultimately voted absolutely mattered and may have been enough given the crazily thin margins to have been outcome determinative.

I say this as one who often eye-rolled at Dems blaming Nader for Gore's loss in 2000 and, again, agree that it was Clinton's election to lose and she managed to lose it. But little doubt in my mind that Sanders supporters helped make it happen.




[Post edited by WahooRQ at 02/19/2020 3:53PM]