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CharlestonSC

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Lost in the shuffle w/ Kavanaugh is the normative discussion about whether


the "believe women" mantra is logically defensible. I don't see any way it is.

1) Women are half the population... so this is a sizable chunk of people we need to immediately believe. We're not saying "believe Intuit trans men." That's a small population and the implications of such a policy are much less significant. So ... Can someone provide any scientific study which suggests women are more likely to correctly identify perpetrators of crime than men? If not, then really we need to "believe men" also ... and at that point we "believe everybody" ... which is obviously logically ridiculous in any he-said-she-said situation.

2) Now... There is some logical basis in weighing competing stories to believe that an accuser's version of events is more likely to be true than somebody defending themselves (as theoretically only the person defending themselves is speaking in self-interest... though that's not always true, but let's keep ti simple for now), but if so then instead of "believe women" what you really mean is "believe accusers." (see point #1)

3) Now that we're down to "believe accusers" does this only apply to sex crimes or all crimes? Looping back to question #1, can you provide me any study which suggests accusers are more likely to accurately identify a perpetrator of a crime in sex crime cases vs other crimes? My common sense tells me actually the opposite is much more likely to be true. There's some ambiguity with many sex crimes ... if 2 people go home together drunk and one claims sexual assault the next day, there's likely many shades of gray there. OTOH, either you stole my watch or you didn't. One of us has possession of my watch, and if it's you, then you stole it.

4) "Believe accusers" is quite literally the opposite of innocent until proven guilty. It's guilty unless there's ironclad evidence to the contrary. That represents a fundamental shift in our criminal justice system, because again, if we're doing this for all crimes (since sex crimes can't be treated as special). I simply can't get behind that type of change in our criminal justice system.

Where did I err, lefties?

Posted: 09/18/2018 at 11:47PM



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  A play in one act -- Fuzzy Dunlop 09/19/2018 10:50AM
  "Much Ado About Nothing"? ** -- Tuckahokie 09/19/2018 10:52AM
  2 to 10% of accusations are fake -- WahooMatt05 09/19/2018 10:12AM
  Stealing someone else's response -- WahooMatt05 09/19/2018 09:56AM
  Opps. I thought SC wrote the response. ** -- Shenhoo 09/19/2018 09:40AM
  I'm glad I'm not a lawyer ** -- BocaHoo91 09/19/2018 09:47AM
  You’re not smart enough.... -- WahooRQ 09/19/2018 09:56AM
  Too ethical :>O ** -- Tuckahokie 09/19/2018 10:02AM
  That's definitely NOT it... ** -- BocaHoo91 09/19/2018 10:22AM
  For more than one reason ; ) ** -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/19/2018 09:55AM
  See Matthew Dowd of ABC News -- TpkeHoo 09/19/2018 09:01AM
  Ok. But what about the hundreds that don't? -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 09:47AM
  We certainly agree about our opposition to the sentiment. ** -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 12:57PM
  Ok. I agree, that's just stupid. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 09:12AM
  This could be one of the examples -- Hoodafan 09/19/2018 08:48AM
  Is that a "normative discussion?" Those are tweets. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 09:07AM
  He has no right? Have her allegations been proven true. ** -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/19/2018 08:22AM
  Thought about you while I was watching the NewsHour yesterday. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 08:39AM
  The whole thing is a stall tactic, which bothers me. -- hoolstoptheheels 09/19/2018 09:37AM
  To your first point, revenge. ** -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/19/2018 07:30AM
  Did I say that was the case with Kav? I was making a general -- Cold Hoober Hoo 09/19/2018 09:06AM
  Or justice ** -- 111Balz 09/19/2018 07:38AM
  Yep. You can’t get behind that. ** -- Hokieesith 09/19/2018 12:00AM

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